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To all pocketfivers,
Recently I've done some research on whether or not there's software you can purchase on the internet, which allows you to see your opponents hole cards and the cards that will come out on the flop, turn and river. I was able to track down some youtube videos of people claiming to use this software, and demonstrating how they regurlarly steal money from players and take advantage of the software. In researching the software, I've noticed that recently, in a number of tournaments that I've played in, I've been getting beat by hands that rediculously defy the odds. I understand that from time to time, you are going to get beat by the 1, 2, 3, and 4 outers. It happens! But other than people using software to cheat, how can it be explained when a person holding 6 10 offsuit, pushes all-in during the early stages of a tournament, for their tournament life against pocket KK's, with no money invested in the pot pre-flop? How can it be explained when that person hits a 6 on the flop, and then a 10 on the turn? No experienced poker player would EVER make that move, unless of course they KNEW what cards I had, and what cards would come on the flop, turn and river, by using the cheating software. My question to all the members at pocketfives.com is, does this software exist? I recently emaild pokerstars on the topic, because I was just completely fed up with the recent 10-15 odss defying beats that I was taking on their site. Of course they claim that no one could possibly have such a thing, and their security is top of the line. If anyone has any feed back on this, please let me know. I also have documentation of all of these odds defying beats for reference. Thanks! -
"No experienced poker player would EVER make that move, unless of course they KNEW what cards I had"
Yeah you're probably right about that, but guess what there are alot of fucking idiots out there that are just messing around.
106o is gonna win vs KK all in preflop 15% of the time, its not some 1/100 shot even though it may seem like it. It's going to happen again...and again....and again. You will just notice it more because its a pretty sick beat. Guess what? It can even happen in live poker! crazy right....
It's very unlikely that anyone can see your hole cards on any of the respected well run sites....unless you're playing on UB lol -
ApesAreFun
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Yep, and why would he shove allin with T6 if he "knew" U had kings. Sorry man, but you're *end of sentence"Originally Posted by Counting Bodies
"No experienced poker player would EVER make that move, unless of course they KNEW what cards I had"
Yeah you're probably right about that, but guess what there are alot of fucking idiots out there that are just messing around. -
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LOL this makes my day :DOriginally Posted by kdwiggins
tin foil hat ftw
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lol...10 to 15 bad beats? i wish i had that few. must be nice to run so well.
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Not sure why I'm responding but, please review all of your "odds defying beats" and compare to your overall sample and demonstrate proof that your beats are truely odds defying.
My guess is that your sample size is extremely low and you are being results oriented and focusing more on your losses than on you're winnings. You aren't the first losing player to believe that sites are rigged, but the fact remains that this site is proof that there are a large number of extremely successful players in online poker. You are either accusing them of cheating or denying the reality that sites are not rigged and your sample is just abhorrently low and you are a pessimistic person who doesn't like admitting that you are not necessarily playing optimally.
Here's to wishing you better luck at the table.
Final point, if you get your money in good and are a 60% favorite, you should be losing 40% of the time. Lets say you do that three times and lose the first two; what's the percentage of times you'll lose the third? 40% still. There's no reason that out of a billion tries that you'll lose 10 60/40s in a row; in fact, I'm sure out of that many tries, you'll have more than one instance where you lose 10 in a row - I'm no math genius so I have no idea just how many times this could happen, but a billion is a large fucking number. -
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Freerolls tho?
OP means that people should play better in freerolls and fold pre-flop. -
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Just wondering, why is everyone discussing how its varience or w.e blah blah, when his question was more if the programs work or not. Ive seen youtube videos as well. So no one on here has any idea if those are legit?
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Thanks again to all that have responded, but still, how can you explain someone raising all-in, during the early stages of a tournament with 6 10 offsuit, if they're not using some sort of cheating software. Regardless if you think I suck at poker, that's your opinion. My question was, IS there software out there that can give people an edge?
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What level buy-ins are we talking?Originally Posted by famous5ives
Just wondering, why is everyone discussing how its varience or w.e blah blah, when his question was more if the programs work or not. Ive seen youtube videos as well. So no one on here has any idea if those are legit?
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as far as the whole cards are concerned I have no clue, there's probably some way for people experienced enough to see them
the flop, turn, and river are determined "live" on FTP by a random number generator, so they cannot be predicted.
I've seen some sick shit live and at the casino. People play poker to have fun, and a lot of people like to defy the odds, it makes them feel special. They don't want to outplay you, they want to see their 72o beat your AA on AK7 flop with runner-runner sevens. -
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There was a bunch of kids at MIT or something that "broke" the Full Tilt Poker algorithm to know exactly which hands they would win. Although these kids took the "high road" and only tested their theory on the "free play" tables, there was something about how the "real play" tables use the same software so it must be the same result.Originally Posted by bellaca
Thanks again to all that have responded, but still, how can you explain someone raising all-in, during the early stages of a tournament with 6 10 offsuit, if they're not using some sort of cheating software. Regardless if you think I suck at poker, that's your opinion. My question was, IS there software out there that can give people an edge?
I'm pretty sure since then the math and software has become much more complex (borderline quantum physics probably) that, even if someone did "break the code," one of the big dogs (pokerstars & FTP) would def. find out real quick when someone shipped hands 43, 76, 150, 195 of EVERY SINGLE TOURNEY or EVERY SINGLE CASH TABLE he/she plays.
Even if it did exist, it would be caught crazy quick. Real -EV to work on something for months and get caught in a day so I'm sure no one even tries anymore. -
This happened at a $33 tournament table on pokerstars, and I took another horrific beat in the same fashion, during a $150 tournament as well. A person who had absolutely no money invested in the pot called my raise, when I was in the dealer position with 22. He calls my raise, i hit a set on a board of 2-K-10. I raise, he re-raises all-in, I call and he shows J-9 for a gut shot draw. Guess what comes on the turn? This is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about! If they're NOT using cheating software, HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT?
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No one asked for your negative comments....just constructive feedback on whether or not there's cheating software. All you had to say was either yes or no, jerk off!
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i went all in with 74o in a $10 tournament at the early levels because i wanted to see their reaction when i get called, he flipped over QQ and i hit the straight. i luv this game.
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FTP does a constant shuffle, so no way of knowing flop, turn, or river..
There is a 0.0000001% chance someone can do this on pokerstars, they have too much to lose to have this happen.. Sure this can happen on UB or another crap site, but doubt on Pokerstars or FTP..
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lol how exactly is that possible?
Originally Posted by bellaca
This happened at a $33 tournament table on pokerstars, and I took another horrific beat in the same fashion, during a $150 tournament as well. A person who had absolutely no money invested in the pot called my raise, when I was in the dealer position with 22. He calls my raise, i hit a set on a board of 2-K-10. I raise, he re-raises all-in, I call and he shows J-9 for a gut shot draw. Guess what comes on the turn? This is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about! If they're NOT using cheating software, HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? -
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u know wat the first thing i would do if i created a program that allowed me to see ppls cards and what the turn and river would be
i would post a video on youtube and tell the world about my program so that i wont be able to go on and make a killing at the tables without it being discovered im cheating -
Really? If you've never seen people make plays like this or even worse, you may want to play more often. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're going to need much more evidence than a hand like this one to convince people of your theory. I have wondered about this myself before, but I choose to believe the various sites have sufficient security.
Originally Posted by bellaca
This happened at a $33 tournament table on pokerstars, and I took another horrific beat in the same fashion, during a $150 tournament as well. A person who had absolutely no money invested in the pot called my raise, when I was in the dealer position with 22. He calls my raise, i hit a set on a board of 2-K-10. I raise, he re-raises all-in, I call and he shows J-9 for a gut shot draw. Guess what comes on the turn? This is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about! If they're NOT using cheating software, HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT?
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LOL! I wish I had read a little closer to pick up on this solid gold portion of the post.
Originally Posted by boris64
lol how exactly is that possible?Originally Posted by bellaca
This happened at a $33 tournament table on pokerstars, and I took another horrific beat in the same fashion, during a $150 tournament as well. A person who had absolutely no money invested in the pot called my raise, when I was in the dealer position with 22. He calls my raise, i hit a set on a board of 2-K-10. I raise, he re-raises all-in, I call and he shows J-9 for a gut shot draw. Guess what comes on the turn? This is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about! If they're NOT using cheating software, HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? -
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Doubt there are any programs for the major sites such as PS and FT. Who knows about the little flash sites like Pitbull.
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The Hoke
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if the software did exist, i doubt there is someone out there smart enough to use and NOT get caught..too much greed would be there downfall
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