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I think this one is too close to call right now and depends on the last month of the season.
Edited By: Pker4Dummies Aug 29th, 2011 at 02:41 PM
Nova 14-4 3.96 1.37
Pineda 9-8 3.71 1.09
Trumbo 23 HR 73 RBI 54 R .256/.294/.475
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Nova is gonna get penalized for spending part of the season in the minors imo.
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nova.
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Either Nova or Hellickson. Hellickson having the better year statisticall but most sports writers probably don't even know who he is. Definitely not Trumbo, lol @ that... his OBP is under .300. Can't win rookie of the year with those awful stats.
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very close imo but i prob. lean hellickson at this point. def. up for grabs tho. would be desmond jennings in a landslide if the rays hadn't waited so long to call him up.
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how is it not Hellickson?
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Clearly Hellickson. Then Nova.
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They will be from ATL...Kimbrel or FreemanOriginally Posted by sean614
Who ya got in the NL? Homer in me would like it to be Vance Mother Fucking Worley
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Kimbrel has already won.Originally Posted by sean614
Clearly Hellickson. Then Nova.
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Yeah I had assumed. I didnt look at stats really though so was hoping he had a major drop off from earlier.
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it has to be Nova. he has 14 wins and plays in the pressure cooker known as NYC
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I think Hellickson should win right now, but dont think he has this wrapped up by any means. I dont even know if the season ended today if he would get the vote.
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Why should a SP be able to win Rookie of the Year but not MVP?
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how is it not Hellickson?
would love to read a rational argument against him.
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Edited By: TheWacoKidd Aug 29th, 2011 at 07:31 PMthere's no separate award for rookie pitchers like the Cy Young.Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
Why should a SP be able to win Rookie of the Year but not MVP?
also, the rules of the ROY state that "The current standard of 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched or 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club"
so 50 IP puts you on equal footing with a hitter with 130 at bats IN THE EYES OF THE VOTERS. this guideline is not spelled out for MVP, where total number of games played is the 2nd criteria behind offensive and defensive value.
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thats not a serious question, is it?Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
Why should a SP be able to win Rookie of the Year but not MVP?
#johnsterlingsucksass
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That is the standard that makes a season officially a rookie season. I understand where you are coming from but you are still not explaining why, if the games played criteria was meant to exclude pitchers, they didn't just outright say it.
Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
there's no separate award for rookie pitchers like the Cy Young.
also, the rules of the ROY state that "The current standard of 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched or 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club"
so 50 IP puts you on equal footing with a hitter with 130 at bats IN THE EYES OF THE VOTERS. this guideline is not spelled out for MVP, where total number of games played is the 2nd criteria behind offensive and defensive value.
hope that helps.
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if if if...ok, if that happens, it's probably still Kimbrel. He would have to blow every save opportunity from here on out to not win imo.Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181
What if he blows up in September and Freeman ends on a hot streak
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Edited By: TheWacoKidd Aug 29th, 2011 at 07:41 PMI agree. and I never said the rule was MEANT to exclude pitchers, only that it should due to the wording. seems like irrefutable logic to me.Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
I think that the games played line is there to put more weight on a season where the player played most of the season as opposed to a guy who missed 40-50 games due to injury but had better stats.
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I know he does (Suzyn Waldman might be the only one worse) , but I still like listening to him. I get a kick out his stupid sayings and everything.Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
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Yeah he's sick, just think Freeman might be more valuable than a closer. I hate when closers win anything seeing how low their value truly is. Like last year Feliz won the ROY.
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Except that if that were the intention, it would have been spelled out.
Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
I agree. and I never said the rule was MEANT to exclude pitchers, only that it should due to the wording. seems like irrefutable logic to me.
We are left with one obvious choice. Everyday players who get hurt but still put up great numbers should be penalized, as should pitchers.
BTW, its super fun to have a debate as dumb as this across two threads.
Agree to disagree I guess.
Suzyn Waldman is disgustingly bad. I think she must have even more blackmail info on the Steinbrenners than Paul Hackett had on the suits on the Jets.Originally Posted by kellykip
I know he does (Suzyn Waldman might be the only one worse) , but I still like listening to him. I get a kick out his stupid sayings and everything.
And how a butt ugly chick with a Boston accent could ever be given the job as a voice of the Yankees is beyond me.
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I'm just working with the facts here. you are the one assuming to know what the guidelines actually mean
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Where in the guidelines does it spell out how many games is "enough games"?
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I really wonder sometimes if Waldman is just there to make Sterling sound good by comparison - she is just beyond useless. And it doesn't help any that the Mets announcers are probably the best group in all of sports.Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
Suzyn Waldman is disgustingly bad. I think she must have even more blackmail info on the Steinbrenners than Paul Hackett had on the suits on the Jets.
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so when one player plays in 160 games and 1 plays in 32 games, and the 2nd guideline is "number of games played," the 160 game player shouldn't receive more credit for playing in more games? WUTOriginally Posted by jetsjets1028
Where in the guidelines does it spell out how many games is "enough games"?
Did I miss something?
just stop.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE GUIDELINES, but they are what they are.
highly doubt you are trying to debate me here when the facts are facts.
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yeah dude shut up already. Joey Bats is more valuable than Verlander anyway u cut it, it's really not close. U think the world is 5,000 years old or whatever, ur argument is invalid etc.
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Take a look at all the players who received votes for MVP the year Pedro was left off by two voters.
Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
so when one player plays in 160 games and 1 plays in 32 games, and the 2nd guideline is "number of games played," the 160 game player shouldn't receive more credit for playing in more games? WUT
I never said this. In fact, I said just the opposite, more than once.
just stop.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE GUIDELINES, but they are what they are.
highly doubt you are trying to debate me here when the facts are facts.
jetsjets gonna jetsjets
What those voters were saying was that Pedro wasn't one of the Top 10 MVPs in the AL that year.
I have absolutely no problem with giving Pedro an 8th place vote because he is a starter but to leave him off the ballot was ridiculous.
Do you agree that he wasn't one of the 10 most valuable?
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