[Sportbike33]

 

Originally Posted by watson5j

just lol at you guys saying "block the plate", "apply the tag better"...the throw was well ahead of the runner and the catcher swiped the runner...it was sooooooooo close that there is just no way in hell you can call that guy safe without being dead right...and he was dead wrong...I'm a braves fan too but you dont want a game to end on a completely blown call like that.

have u watched the replay, there is no clear tag or good angle that says for 100% certain the tag was applied. How can you not fault the catcher in that situation?!?! He had enough time to do a little dance before the runner go there. All he has to do is block the plate, apply hard tag, game continues. Of course you dont want game to end on a blown call but from the Ump's angle I totally understand.

[watson5j]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

go watch the replay i was talking about on mlb.com...all the way through.

guarantee you have doubts about whether or not he tagged him. and, if you do, that's the Pirates catcher's fault.

guarantee theres no camera angle from 2 feet away standing right on top of the catcher/runner.

 

Originally Posted by Sportbike33

have u watched the replay, there is no clear tag or good angle that says for 100% certain the tag was applied. How can you not fault the catcher in that situation?!?! He had enough time to do a little dance before the runner go there. All he has to do is block the plate, apply hard tag, game continues. Of course you dont want game to end on a blown call but from the Ump's angle I totally understand.

hahahaha, yes I have watched the replay and yes, the catchers glove touches the runner, its clear.

[TheWacoKidd haters gonna hate]

pretty awesome to see a Cards fan so scared of the Pirates he is rationalizing this travesty.

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

pretty awesome to see a Cards fan so scared of the Pirates he is rationalizing this travesty.

have you watched the replay i'm talking about?

i know you're just jousting me, but i honestly wouldn't care if the pirates won the division at all. the cards have NO shot to come out of the NL anyway without Wainwright, so i seriously don't care.

the replay from behind Meals and the 3rd base line look like McHenry didn't tag him.

i already said that the CF angle definitely looks like he did...but the other 2--which are much closer to the angle that Meals would be seeing--make it look like he doesn't.

[watson5j]

jroth...when the runner, julio lugo, pops up from the slide and does nothing but starts to walk back to the dugout, its very, very obvious that he was tagged.

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by watson5j

jroth...when the runner, julio lugo, pops up from the slide and does nothing but starts to walk back to the dugout, its very, very obvious that he was tagged.

or Lugo has been a base stealer his whole life and assumes that when a throw beats him, he's automatically called out?

i know he HAS to say it after the game, but Lugo still maintains that he didn't feel a tag and didn't think McHenry tagged him.

[watson5j]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

or Lugo has been a base stealer his whole life and assumes that when a throw beats him, he's automatically called out?

i know he HAS to say it after the game, but Lugo still maintains that he didn't feel a tag and didn't think McHenry tagged him.

McKenry tho...Lugo's body language said it all imo...clearly the throw was well ahead and him and clearly he felt that he was tagged...the only interview I heard on sportscenter was Lugo saying "the only thing that matters is I was called safe"...never heard him say he didnt tag me...

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by watson5j

McKenry tho...Lugo's body language said it all imo...clearly the throw was well ahead and him and clearly he felt that he was tagged...the only interview I heard on sportscenter was Lugo saying "the only thing that matters is I was called safe"...never heard him say he didnt tag me...

My bad on the name...here's a quote from Lugo via MLB.com:

"He got the call right," Lugo told reporters. "I'm being honest. I didn't feel him tag me."

[MyJobisYou Banned Scammer]

lmao, it's crystal clear on the ESPN replay he swiped his right leg on the tag, anyone arguing differently is a fucking idiot. Call was horrible, great way to end a 19 inning struggle lawl

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by MyJobisYou

lmao, it's crystal clear on the ESPN replay he swiped his right leg on the tag, anyone arguing differently is a fucking idiot. Call was horrible, great way to end a 19 inning struggle lawl

good work reading the thread...

[robodarko]

WOWOWOWOWO.

That last call was a fucking joke!!! I hope that umpire gets disciplined heavily. 19 innings and you're gonna end it with that call???

Worst ump ever.

Lugo was literally three feet away from the plate when Mck tagged him. Lugo even though he was out, you can tell how surprised he was when he got called safe.

Daniel McCutchen is now my hero though. Pitched like a champ for what six or seven innings? And did you see his hustle running to first?!? We should have Daniel pinch running, he's practically as fast as Andrew! It's a fucking joke that Daniel takes that loss for that bullshit call.

I'm still fuming. Fuck that shit!

[itch1515]

The Pirates filed a complaint.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11208/1163254-100.stm

The Pirates beat writer said the team was more fired up than he'd ever seen them in the locker room after the game.

It's just like golf. The only thing that matters is your next shot. We'll see how they respond. If they respond anything like they have to tough situations so far this season, it will be positive.

GO BUCS!!!!!

[robodarko]

I've watched the replay linked ITT and I still think it's a pretty clear tag. If you want to try to justify it by saying that the ump is clearly terrible at his job and he was tired because it was the 19th inning then that's one thing. Saying that it's not clear that he tagged him is just ridiculous. Plus as others have stated there's no camera angle that actually shows the ump's POV.

You are right though that Mck should have put his left knee down with his shin flat on the ground blocking the runners path. If he had done that though he probably still would have called him safe. The ump obviously just wanted to go home.

[mhoddi]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

My bad on the name...here's a quote from Lugo via MLB.com:

"He got the call right," Lugo told reporters. "I'm being honest. I didn't feel him tag me."

LOL... lets get a quote from McKenry and see what his thoughts are

[itch1515]

[bats867]

 

Originally Posted by itch1515

The Pirates filed a complaint.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11208/1163254-100.stm

The Pirates beat writer said the team was more fired up than he'd ever seen them in the locker room after the game.

It's just like golf. The only thing that matters is your next shot. We'll see how they respond. If they respond anything like they have to tough situations so far this season, it will be positive.

GO BUCS!!!!!

Coonelly issued the following statement:

"The Pittsburgh Pirates organization is extremely disappointed by the way its 19-inning game against the Atlanta Braves ended earlier this morning. The game of baseball and this game in particular, filled with superlative performances by players on both clubs, deserved much better. We have filed a formal complaint with the Commissioner.
"While we cannot begin to understand how Umpire Jerry Meals did not see the tag made by Michael McKenry three feet in front of home plate, we do not question the integrity of Mr. Meals. Instead, we know that Mr. Meals' intention was to get the call right. Jerry Meals has been umpiring Major League games for 14 years and has always done so with integrity and professionalism. He got this one wrong.
"For Pirates fans, we may have lost a game in the standings as a result of a missed call but this game, and the gutsy performances by so many of our players, will make us stronger, more unified and more determined as we continue the battle for the National League Central Division."

Somebody say somethin bout gettin fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiired up?!? Let's go Bucs! Bolded part made me laugh out loud.

For real though, after watching that game for 7 hours, having it end that way was so... disheartening. Also hope everybody realizes Proctor fell down on the way to first. McCutchen (fucking beast) was pointing it out to McKenry as ump made safe call. So woulda been double play, on to the 20th. Whatevs.

 

Originally Posted by mhoddi

LOL... lets get a quote from McKenry and see what his thoughts are

and besides mccutchen, my heart def goes out to mckenry. catches 19innings a day after going into beast mode and taking a fucking bat to the hand (his fault obv, but that's gotta hurt), hits a HR earlier, ugh. He couldn't believe the safe call. Neither could Lugo

 

Originally Posted by Sportbike33

have u watched the replay, there is no clear tag or good angle that says for 100% certain the tag was applied. How can you not fault the catcher in that situation?!?! He had enough time to do a little dance before the runner go there. All he has to do is block the plate, apply hard tag, game continues. Of course you dont want game to end on a blown call but from the Ump's angle I totally understand.

fortunately for the catcher in this situation, he doesn't need to make a super tag. Just a regular one, which he did. McKenry did his job, Meals didn't. end o' story

[Sportbike33]

 

Originally Posted by bats867

fortunately for the catcher in this situation, he doesn't need to make a super tag. Just a regular one, which he did. McKenry did his job, Meals didn't. end o' story

You are telling me the catcher couldn't of done anything different?? He couldn't of applied a better tag?? he couldn't of gotten in the way a little more.

Here is an example of a catcher doing his job!!!

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by mhoddi

LOL... lets get a quote from McKenry and see what his thoughts are

it's amazing how many people in OT fail at reading...JFC.

go read my first post on the Lugo quote where I say "I know he HAS to say this, but..."

so many retards on this board...

[TheWacoKidd haters gonna hate]

I can't support your posts ITT jorth. he was clearly out and I don't see how there is any debate.

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by robodarko

Saying that it's not clear that he tagged him is just ridiculous. Plus as others have stated there's no camera angle that actually shows the ump's POV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3aH2F2a34#t=1m40s

click on that link and it will take you directly to the 2 replays i'm talking about (~1:40 mark if it doesn't go straight there). sorry for the grainy vid...it's the best i can find on YouTube.

if you can definitively tell me that he tags him based on those 2 replays (the 2 angles closest to the one the ump had), then you have x-ray vision.

i've already said he blew the call, but it's WAY closer than everybody is making it seem.

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

I can't support your posts ITT jorth. he was clearly out and I don't see how there is any debate.

watch above vid...and i never said he wasn't out. Edited By: JRoth15 Jul 27th, 2011 at 09:19 PM

[truesyalose]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

it's amazing how many people in OT fail at reading...JFC.

go read my first post on the Lugo quote where I say "I know he HAS to say this, but..."

so many retards on this board...

lol thats a good one coming from you. I know you are stubborn but your posts in this thread are beyond ridiculous. Anyone watching it at the time or seeing any replays knows he was out, if the ump is in a spot that makes him look safe maybe the ump needs to do a better job, duh

and it wasn't close by any means, not wayyy closer than we are making it out to be b/c it WASNT CLOSE AT ALL and the ump was trying to a hero or just wanted to go home b/c he wasn't getting paid extra for extra innings. Edited By: truesyalose Jul 27th, 2011 at 09:12 PM

[Phi aka tennisee]

Ha wow I didnt know McKenry got traded to the Pirates. I went to school with him. His wife used to date my roommate. Small world.

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by truesyalose

Anyone watching it at the time or seeing any replays knows he was out, if the ump is in a spot that makes him look safe maybe the ump needs to do a better job, duh

you do realize that i've said multiple times that he was out, right?

and lol @ you questioning the positioning of a veteran MLB ump...are you serious? ask BillMueller...he was in the exact perfect position to make the call...it just so happens he saw it a different way than everybody else.

i'll also assume you didn't watch the youtube i linked above where it shows the angles closest to what Meals would have seen...and there is absolutely zero way to tell in real time if he tagged him or not. obviously we have the help of slo-mo replays from 1,000 angles...he doesn't--and that's baseball's fault; not Jerry Meals'.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/27/22...re-jerry-meals

^^ that guy does a better job of trying to say what i was attempting to

[mhoddi]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

it's amazing how many people in OT fail at reading...JFC.

go read my first post on the Lugo quote where I say "I know he HAS to say this, but..."

so many retards on this board...

uhhh what? I quoted everything you wrote in that post and responded to it. Sorry I didn't go back to your earlier posts and read them all to see what other ridiculous claims you were making for possibly agreeing with the call (or making an argument for being safe, however you want to phrase it).

You keep referring to reading comprehension in this thread and how many retards there are here... lets go back and take a look at who the consensus misguided one is. The fact that you even put a quote from Lugo is ridiculous, especially after you even say he HAS to say this... then why bother writing it in the first place? That serves as much purpose as me digging up a McKenry quote claiming he was out Edited By: mhoddi Jul 27th, 2011 at 09:24 PM

[truesyalose]

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

and lol @ you questioning the positioning of a veteran MLB ump...are you serious? ask BillMueller...he was in the exact perfect position to make the call...it just so happens he saw it a different way than everybody else.

I do realize u said he was out, that's why i don't understand you continuing to argue everything else.

Quit taking up for this ump that obviously blew a big call b/c he wanted to be a hero, just like Jim Joyce. I don't care what you or any other umpire thinks, they have a job to do, do it and don't try to be the center of attention. The guy was clearly out and just b/c he didn't necessarily see the tag doesnt make the runner safe, ya dig? The catcher did what he is taught to do, tag the guy, not tag the guy and make sure the umpire sees it, so don't act like he did anything wrong.

I saw the play as it happened, it didn't take any slow-mo replays or anything except COMMON FKN SENSE to see that he was tagged and the runner even gave up knowing he was tagged. I don't care what Lugo says afterwards, he knew he was tagged, watch the replay. I have already wasted too much time on this topic just b/c you want to play devil's advocate.

[quietwinner]

lol jroth.

he was out bruh, just give it up

[LizardBoy]

Anyone notice the Braves batter face planting out of of the batter's box?

[JRoth15]

 

Originally Posted by mhoddi

uhhh what? I quoted everything you wrote in that post and responded to it. Sorry I didn't go back to your earlier posts and read them all to see what other ridiculous claims you were making for possibly agreeing with the call (or making an argument for being safe, however you want to phrase it).

lol you responded to a correspondence between watsonj and i...in a post where i had quoted him, which obviously means there was previous engagement. then you choose to take a sentence out of my 2nd post to him and try to make me look like an idiot by saying "let's see what mckenry has to say..." i had already covered that.

 

Originally Posted by quietwinner

lol jroth.

he was out bruh, just give it up

this is what everybody is apparently misunderstanding...i know he was out; i've said that at least 10 times.

all i'm saying is that from the angle Meals saw, i can definitely see how he thought mckenry missed the tag on the play. if you watch the youtube link i created above, i'm pretty sure you can see how as well.

[bats867]

 

Originally Posted by Sportbike33

You are telling me the catcher couldn't of done anything different?? He couldn't of applied a better tag?? he couldn't of gotten in the way a little more.

Here is an example of a catcher doing his job!!!

silly me, I just read through the rule book and missed this addition this year:

"On any non-force play at the plate after the 15th inning, the defensive player must apply a "super tag" to the runner. This necessitates holding the runner down by the throat, jamming the glove w ball into the runner's mouth, and securely duct taping the ball to the open mouth, a la an apple at a pig roast. The runner than must sign waiver conceding he was tagged out within 2 minutes of said play"

My bad, totally McKenry's fault!

[Reech around]

difficult call, tough angle, horribly blown. Please get replay MLB, maybe you've noticed the many cameras in the stadium?

interesting to see if this is the kind of thing that lights a fire in the Pirates and turns this from a surprisingly good season into a magical one.