No thread on this yet? Pretty sick leak imo...

"The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.
At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables � many designated "secret" � the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership. These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...plomacy-crisis

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/28...lished/?hpt=T1

Some documents are already leaked to some newspapers, but the full documents are supposed to be up on wikileaks in a matter of hours, after fixing the DDOS attack. Don't know how much they're gonna actually release, sounds like everything though... Hope it doesn't lead to some bad shit.

More dude, these documents can basically tell you what the US think about every country (at least all the friendlies). diplomatic crisis is gonna be inevitable.

"Among literallyscores of revelations which may cause uproar, some will be particularly dismaying in Britain. They include:
� Highly critical private remarks about David Cameron and George Osborne's "lack of depth", made by Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, to the US ambassador.
� A scornful analysis of UK "paranoia" over the US-UK so-called special relationship. It is suggested that "keeping HMGthe British government "off-balance" about itthe relationship might be a good idea.
� US shock at the rude behaviour of Prince Andrew when abroad.
� Secret US military missions flown from a UK base, which Britain alleged could involve torture.
� A plan to deceive the British parliament over the use of banned US weapons."

 

Originally Posted by wonglondo

More dude, these documents can basically tell you what the US think about every country (at least all the friendlies). diplomatic crisis is gonna be inevitable.

"Among literallyscores of revelations which may cause uproar, some will be particularly dismaying in Britain. They include:
• Highly critical private remarks about David Cameron and George Osborne's "lack of depth", made by Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, to the US ambassador.
• A scornful analysis of UK "paranoia" over the US-UK so-called special relationship. It is suggested that "keeping HMGthe British government "off-balance" about itthe relationship might be a good idea.
• US shock at the rude behaviour of Prince Andrew when abroad.
• Secret US military missions flown from a UK base, which Britain alleged could involve torture.
• A plan to deceive the British parliament over the use of banned US weapons."

No offense dude, but this sounds like standard european chat in the papers, especially British papers. I recall some pretty crass remarks between old french pres Chirac and Italy's Berlusconi and if there was ever "rude" shit said look in your own backyard at your own bs relations. Of course, with Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain all in chaos and Germany fucking it up more everyday....might as well ban together and love the shit talking about the US. Europe is full of epic fail right now.

apparently you dont read the guardian or the bbc that often...you would see that this is nothing new and pretty standard not to mention some of those items are headlines ive seen in the US papers, like corruption in afghanistan. omg really? is that anything we didnt already suspect. i mean shit we only had major headlines here weeks ago about afghans taking money from iran. like i said nothing new. now which countries are gonna be left denominated in the euro as their base currency going forward,,,that's news. let's speculate on that! im curious how much US $ that we'll never get back has been shipped to the EU to shore up your shit banks.

because europe is so fucked up right now, they need someone else to trash to forget their own problems. if you dont get it, then so be it. when the british pound go so f'd in the 80's brits could not stand germans because the german currency was so strong. brits would go on vacation and see the germans in their beamers and mercedes and talk crazy shit about them to downplay their own problems. they hated on the germans for that reason. it's standard british way. study some european culture dude

And last I checked, Amsterdam is located on the European continent and the Netherlands uses the Euro, so you're close enough to European for me. =) I don't blame you for trying to claim you're Asian or something. I would too if I was European right now. Good day.

lol, wow, you're an insecure one aren't you. so far the only person calling this "USA trashing" is yourself. others see it as a pretty fucked up event which provides lots of interesting insights from all sorts of perspectives.

aaand it's up! Only 219/250k so far, but wow. i'm guessing that owner guy gotta go into hiding now.

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

It's been well publicized for a couple weeks up here that the wikileaks release would cause a shitstorm. The amount of diplomatic activity has been extremely high in advance of this coming out. I understand what Seykota is saying in that a lot of this really isn't new. What is new is that these are now publicly available documents that are going to require some official statements and reactions from governments around the world. Shits gonna be ugly for a while.

This just came out on the Canoe website:

OTTAWA - The Obama administration ordered diplomats to spy on foreign governments and dignitaries – including here in Canada – as a way to provide key biographical data to the Central Intelligence Agency.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics.../16351291.html

to me this is like the mosque at ground zero, was already happening but now because of some blogger or a hacker it's gonna turn into a shit storm. id be more surprised if we wouldnt have been doing this stuff for biographical info.

 

Originally Posted by Seykota

to me this is like the mosque at ground zero, was already happening but now because of some blogger or a hacker it's gonna turn into a shit storm. id be more surprised if we wouldnt have been doing this stuff for biographical info.

right.... massive intelligence leak = ground zero mosque blogger. and oh, just read your edits, thanks for the european culture lesson with the beamers and mercedes example, i genuinely lol'd :D.

wanta is right, guess OT don't care, lol. off to bed then, have a nice monday everyone!

The problem is what kind of biographical information? I mean are we checking public records to profile someone or do homework on someone or what? That happens in business all the time. Know who you're dealing with. How is the info being obtained? Someone who wants to sell a paper loves a good emotional word such as "spying" but I need more info.

 

Originally Posted by wonglondo

right.... massive intelligence leak = ground zero mosque blogger. and oh, just read your edits, thanks for the european culture lesson with the beamers and mercedes example, i genuinely lol'd :D.

wanta is right, guess OT don't care, lol. off to bed then, have a nice monday everyone!

No someone in OT cared. That person would be me, you just didn't like my responses. It's all good and nothing personal, you've challenged me well in some threads recently and I respect that. Not oblivious to problems in the US, but Europe is no poster child for diplomatic relations either. Have a nice slumber and dank u.

I don't want to speculate on it. They specifically mentioned looking into personal internet accounts, handles, URLs, frequent flier cards, and work schedules. As you say, this would be typically the kind of things you want to know about someone you are negotiating with. It just isnt the kind of information you admit to looking at in diplomatic circles (especially among your allies).

More importantly, if you are the party in power (the conservative party in Canada) and constantly downplay your military involvement around the world, the opposition party (Liberals and NDP) will have a field day with any published documents that point to your previously unofficial agreements with american politicians. People like Stephen Harper can't be too comfortable with this kind of thing being released as public information.

cool - spying is like masturbation. Everybody does it (except me). Nobody likes to get caught doing it (except Bfactor).

More importantly, the Grey Cup game just started. Go Saskatchewan !!!

Sounds like a Shia-Sunni thing.

"I thought they were all Muslim."-- G.W. Bush

Sadly none of the stuff that has came out is surprising at all. Although i guess there are still a couple hundred thousand left still to be released.