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  1. winwin07 winwin07 is offline

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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:08am) in reply to Hank H1LL

     
    Originally Posted by Hank H1LL View Post

    wait so libburtarians are pro-slavery?


    Haven't you seen me repeat over and over again ITT how much of love having slaves?
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:13am) in reply to winwin07

    i feel like a slave.
    I have to give the government part of my productivity against my will?
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:14am) in reply to winwin07

    lol the argument is getting a little abstract now but whatever. I don't think anyone said government shouldn't be used to enforce people's right not to be property.

    most libertarians aren't exactly anarchists, is what I should be saying.
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:20am) in reply to Hughes4

     
    Originally Posted by Hughes4 View Post

    i feel like a slave.
    I have to give the government part of my productivity against my will?

    Better than being a college athlete

    If 2 parties come to an agreement to buy/sell somebody into a life of slavery it is a fair trade. If it wasn't fair nobody would have agreed to it
    Edited By: Zeppelin May 6th, 2012 at 01:20 AM
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:22am) in reply to Zeppelin

    18 year old basketball players have it pretty bad, but there are professional leagues that will accept them.

    must really suck to be a football player~
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:28am) in reply to Zeppelin

    capacity to contract tho - there is a famous Canadian case law about a hockey player who signed a contract as a minor - the contract was deemed to be unenforceable because he was a minor and it prevented him from earning a living as an adult

    had to look it up - was John Tonelli versus Toronto Marlies hockey club
    Edited By: saxman May 6th, 2012 at 01:42 AM
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:33am) in reply to saxman

    this thread is a train wreck
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 1:57am) in reply to jesterwords

     
    Originally Posted by jesterwords View Post

    this thread is a train wreck

    I blame 2+2
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 4:32am) in reply to Geoff Moore

    Unions destroyed America!
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 4:58am) in reply to Zeppelin

     
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    OK forget slavery

    If you were an employee of a company in the North you were treated like shit.

    20th century worker >>>> 19th century worker

    20th century worker >>>> 19th century worker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18th century worker
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 5:11am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    20th century worker >>>> 19th century worker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18th century worker

    oh, are we just ignoring the slaves, and only focusing at the part that helps support our point again? In that case, all those indentured servants were waaay better off when we found slaves to take their place. not to mention all the happy slaves.
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 5:11am) in reply to Neeek

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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 5:43am) in reply to Neeek

     
    Originally Posted by Neeek View Post

    oh, are we just ignoring the slaves, and only focusing at the part that helps support our point again? In that case, all those indentured servants were waaay better off when we found slaves to take their place. not to mention all the happy slaves.

    We are only focusing on the part that is relevant. No point to discussing the results of a system that wasn't libertarian or free market in any way to argue for or against such a system.
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 9:15am) in reply to jesterwords

     
    Originally Posted by jesterwords View Post

    this thread is a train wreck

    Agreed
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 3:27pm) in reply to pigalet42

    all the people opposed to Libertarianism, what is the better option and why?
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 4:33pm) in reply to Geoff Moore

    I blame myself for making a baseless statement about my beliefs in OP. There has never been a relevant free market system to draw examples from and there hasn't really been a decent social democracy to draw examples from. I was looking to have an abstract conversation about my belief that there will be a loss of freedom within a libertarian system, anyway, so it seems silly to abandon other systems for the sole reason that part of them is a loss of freedom. Humans suck, any system we have will result in some people suffering to some degree. It's about minimizing said suffering.
     
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 5:59pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    2p2 can't get back online fast enough...


    Pretty sure you can not open thread

    I would rather read dolphins posts than browse that shitty forum.
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 8:14pm) in reply to Prestonluv

    I say we give socialism a shot, we will succeed where all those others have failed because we are America!
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 10:51pm) in reply to littleze

    The only alternative to libertarianism is socialism!
     
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 11:20pm) in reply to Prestonluv

     
    Originally Posted by Prestonluv View Post

    Pretty sure you can not open thread

    I would rather read dolphins posts than browse that shitty forum.

    I guess you don't get what I was saying.
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    May 6th, 2012 (5/6/2012 11:27pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    I guess you don't get what I was saying.

    Ah

    I get it

    He is a 2p2 reg only here cause its down

    My bad
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 9:13pm) in reply to Prestonluv

     
    Originally Posted by Prestonluv View Post

    Pretty sure you can not open thread

    I would rather read dolphins posts than browse that shitty forum.


    swing and a miss


    Oh im late to the party
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 9:55pm) in reply to mattg1983

    I'm pretty sure the Govt land giveaways in the 19th century had a pretty big impact on the success of the economy that was mainly agraiain.
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 10:38pm) in reply to rayspizza

     
    Originally Posted by rayspizza View Post

    I'm pretty sure the Govt land giveaways in the 19th century had a pretty big impact on the success of the economy that was mainly agraiain.

    Pretty sure they gave away the indians' land. Redistribution of wealth ftw, right? Maybe we should redistribute some of that Iraqi oil.
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 10:40pm) in reply to Willywoo

    the natives didn't own the land, that concept was completely foreign to them.
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 10:41pm) in reply to rayspizza

    Looks like they did pretty well for themselves to me
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 10:44pm) in reply to Zeppelin

    not sure about the USA but pretty sure that in Canada, they lured immigrants to our country by offering them land in return for working it, growing crops and cattle, etc - there was also a lot of early settlers involved with developing the railroads and road systems - i guess you could say it was the earliest form of government intervention in north america, but i don't know where we would be without it
    Edited By: saxman May 7th, 2012 at 10:44 PM
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 10:49pm) in reply to rayspizza

     
    Originally Posted by rayspizza View Post

    the natives didn't own the land, that concept was completely foreign to them.

    lol. oh well that makes it alright.


    "This account is by a trained observer who was present on the day the territory was opened and who remained there for some time afterwards. It appeared less than a month later in the pages of Harper's Weekly and provides a vivid picture of what occurred. It documents the massive stupidity of federal policy with regard to the disposal of the public domain, but it scarcely more than hints at the tragic consequences to follow for the Indian tribes who had been forcibly relocated to Oklahoma under solumn promises that their land would be theirs forever".

    http://www.library.cornell.edu/Reps/DOCS/landrush.htm

    Looks like fraud and abuse in giveaway programs was rampant back then too.

     
    Originally Posted by saxman View Post

    not sure about the USA but pretty sure that in Canada, they lured immigrants to our country by offering them land in return for working it, growing crops and cattle, etc - there was also a lot of early settlers involved with developing the railroads and road systems - i guess you could say it was the earliest form of government intervention in north america, but i don't know where we would be without it


    People would have settled it sooner or later, just like everywhere else.
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 11:56pm) in reply to Willywoo

    that's the first time I've read the first hand telling of that story. Thanks for posting that Willywoo.

    lol sax, without government intervention most of Canada would be a snowy desert wasteland.
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    May 7th, 2012 (5/7/2012 11:58pm) in reply to ginwilly

    snowy desert wasteland or full of scottsman with kilts and bag pipes !! either way, it wouldn't be good haha
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