Originally Posted by dolphin13

this has to be the dumbest thing ive ever read in my life. In most poor families the parents are either working multiple jobs or they have no interest in their children. That's why you see high school drop out rates so high.
What's a crackhead gonna teach their kid? Congrats Dyzalot you've blown my mind. You really should see a doctor to see if all your drug use has caused some permanent disability

You seem to have a very low opinion of poor people.

I'd pay good money to watch a film where Dyzalot goes to a different NYC barbershop each day in low income neighborhoods and engages the people in debate. He can tell everyone how they are poor because they deserve to be, and if they would just stop hating themselves and work harder they could have whatever they want.

 

Originally Posted by kellykip

I'd pay good money to watch a film where Dyzalot goes to a different NYC barbershop each day in low income neighborhoods and engages the people in debate. He can tell everyone how they are poor because they deserve to be, and if they would just stop hating themselves and work harder they could have whatever they want.

Umm... I think people are poor because of government and their unholy alliance with big banks and big business. I think my views would actually be similar to the OWS movement. Don't know where you got the idea that those were my thoughts on the subject.

 

Originally Posted by dolphin13

but Dyzalot is balding
plus they'd beat his ass in the first barbershop

I debated the Civil Rights Act with a black guy at a poker table once. It was actually quite civil and he understood my position once it was explained. He even grudgingly agreed with me that any favoritism by government is institutional racism. I can be quite persuasive.

 

Originally Posted by kellykip

I made them up to suit my purposes in creating a picture of maximum barbershop friction.

LOL As a little kid I once asked an older, mostly bald guy who was in the chair next to me why he was at the barbershop.

 

Originally Posted by mordan

Also private schools aren't always better, only in big cities are they usually better (although there are some obv exceptions) here my wife who is a school counselor always talks about how the prestigious Private Schools in are area are so ancient in their methods its unreal, and that every time one of them end up coming to public school they are far far behind the others at there same grade level.......

this is the truth. I went to both private and public school, transferring to public in 10th grade, and I was overwhelmed at first at how much more "real" education was going on at public school. The private school I went to was an athletic factory, where most of the teachers were coaches, and where the main priority was keeping the curriculum easy so kids could stay eligible for sports and to keep their graduation rates high. Not saying all private schools are like this, but anyone who blindly assumes private schools offer better educations than public schools is an idiot who probably went to private school, and has brainwashed themself into that mindset.

are we losing teachers and first responders? you act like their jobs have declined

pm harry reid on idiotic nonsense about private sector jobs being fine and public sector jobs needing billions (private sector jobs up, public down? maybe in harry's opposite world)

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Why do we need more teachers?

???? to teach

 

Originally Posted by utterczar

how about .5% less food stamps issued or .5% less unemployment benefits paid?

Good Idea go after the poor and the unemployed, has to be tons of money there.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

I'll never understand how people who will never be in the top 1% will fight to the death to protect those top 1%ers. Jesus, they'd spit on your grave ffs.

its .05% ffs, Dyz comments often make me shake my head.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Yeah, homeschooling is horrible for kids. They do worse in college and in life than those that go to public schools...

Most low income family's can't afford to have one parent stay home and home school their children. Those people without funds and resource would not have the means for educating their children.

Lots of ignorance about teaching ITT

1) Big reason for decline in student improvement has nothing to do with the teachers. I teach Geometry and it has probably been impacted the most with standardized testing.
- If you count up the number of days that the state says we need to do testing (DCAS, NWEA, PSAT, SAT, Terra Nova, etc) it averages to roughly 18 days a year of missed instruction (I'm using averages because 3rd graders don't take SATs). That means that by the time the students get through 10th grade they have missed one school years worth of instruction.
- With all of the standards and content that are being jammed into every grade level I do not have time do much teaching that involves hands on learning, abstract, inductive/deductive reasoning, etc. Most people don't use math after college, but it is crucial in teaching students how to think and problem solve.

2) I did research for one of my grad school classes that looked into different things that can affect student learning. Class size, order of presentation, teaching practices, socioeconomic status, technology, etc. If you hold everything constant and change just one of the factors I mentioned the one that has the biggest impact on learning is classroom size. Yes technology is import and is the new hot thing for schools to dump money to, but it is much more important to get class sizes down around 20. A teacher is going to do X hours of planning/grading per day so you want to minimize the time grading and figuring out classroom management so you can maximize planning time.

3) The public school that I teach at frequently kicks the crap out of the local private schools in math league and science fairs, AKA our top kids beat the piss out of theirs. The difference between the two schools is that overall they will have better test scores due to BEING ABLE TO PICK THEIR STUDENTS, nothing to do with teachers.

3a) If/when I have kids I will not consider a private school simply because I want my children to grow up in a school that is diverse.

3b) Whenever I get private school transfers they are all from the same mold. They are extremely good at taking notes and do all of their work, but their skills are never sharp and often have to move down a level from where they come in.

Greedy gonna Greed.

 

Originally Posted by ScottBrewr99

this is the truth. I went to both private and public school, transferring to public in 10th grade, and I was overwhelmed at first at how much more "real" education was going on at public school. The private school I went to was an athletic factory, where most of the teachers were coaches, and where the main priority was keeping the curriculum easy so kids could stay eligible for sports and to keep their graduation rates high. Not saying all private schools are like this, but anyone who blindly assumes private schools offer better educations than public schools is an idiot who probably went to private school, and has brainwashed themself into that mindset.

Wtf? What private school did you go to in NorCal?

 

Originally Posted by ScottBrewr99

ya, I didnt go to HS up here, but ive lived here for about 17 years now, and Newman grads are generally a bunch of meatheads.

seriously, right?
edit: I will note that Ursuline girls are usually pretty cool tho

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

On the other hand, the only school in CA that had african american students pass the AP Calculus exams was one in the Sf area.

wait, what? Are you saying the only school in CA that had a majority (or > than some other % threshold) of African American students pass the AP Calc exam? Or are you literally claiming that only one high school in the entire state of CA had African American students (i.e. multiple, more than one) pass the AP Calc exam?

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

seriously, right?
edit: I will note that Ursuline girls are usually pretty cool tho

yep...did you hear Ursuline shut down, and they basically merged the 2 schools so now Newman is co-ed?

 

Originally Posted by dolphin13

One reason you can expect unanimous Republican opposition to Senate Democrats' latest jobs bill Friday is because it includes a tax -- a 0.5 percent surtax on income above $1 million starting in January 2013.
That would raise enough money over the next 10 years to cover the $35 billion cost of hiring and retaining about 400,000 teachers and emergency responders next year -- but for Republicans, it's not worth it.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...res-surtax.php

 

Originally Posted by Rocket Surgeon

It's never a good idea to have the government take money from the public and redistribute it as it sees fit. The less the better!

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And this is the level of discourse we've reached. We're so f'd.

Did you even read OP? The reason we're f'd is the discourse, but not just because of your example. So, let me get this straight. The argument being set up in the OP is that we need a .5% tax on income over one million, or we lose teachers and first responders? And there's no other way to raise that 35 billion other than yet another tax? And does the 35 billion raised over ten years only pay for the jobs for the next year, or for the next ten years? Ffs, the government loses more than that on accounting errors every year. But for liberals, it must be one or the other. The new tax or no teachers or first responders. That doesn't set up any class warfare or campaign speeches or anything like that. No, their only concern is the jobs of those first responders and teachers. Sure....