well I agree with all that^^

playing the game is what I meant. if they already told OP they're going to arrest him then I would tell the assholes to get a warrant too. but then someone inside the house would have smoothed things over in the next 2-3 hours.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

Your post is complete and utter bullshit. I look for every reason to let somebody off easy. Trust me, making it easier on myself=letting people go and not having to process the paperwork. I will do my job, but that does not mean throwing the book at everybody I come in contact with.

I find it hilarious how many of you have completely biased opinions, based on very limited contact, in specific situations where you were probably wrong, and that = all police being complete assholes. Yes, there are assholes, but I doubt you will find a job anywhere in the world where there isn't an asshole or two in the bunch.

1. I will address you as sir or ma'am. Give me the same courtesy/respect. Don't raise your voice or curse at me, and I will not raise my voice at you.
2. Answer my questions truthfully. If you lie to me, your life will be miserable if/when I find out. I hate liars.
3. If I ask you to do something, do it the first time. If I give you a verbal warning for something, but have to come back for the same thing during the same shift (or possibly even within a week/few days), I will not be happy. This is because I gave you the opportunity to fix what was wrong, and by not doing so you are basically giving me the finger or saying you don't care and testing me.
4. Keep your hands where I can see them, and don't give me a reson to feel uncomfortable. I will tell you this once, and only once. The 2nd time you are going to be handcuffed for the safety of us both, and will remain that way until we are done with whatever it is that I am there for.

I could say more, but this is a good start. Every encounter with police can be handled amicably, unless YOU choose otherwise. You have the option to cooperate, or to make it harder than need be. It's that simple people.

I bolded the funny.

1. I am always courteous when dealing with dealing with LEO. I can't say I am always treated with the same respect.
2. I am not going to incriminate myself, I am allowed to lie.
3. Again, I am always respectful and I expect the same respect. Any noise complaints would obv be taken care of.
4. Again, blah blah blah.

Unfortunately its not always that simple. Do you agree with everything the police did in this situation? Confiscation of mini-fridges, stereo components, etc.?

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

what about it?

the nile is in africa you assclown

 

Originally Posted by mattg1983

the nile is in africa you assclown

i really didnt know that. i wasnt joking around at all earlier. thanks for pointing that out for me. where would i be without your genius?

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

You are missing the point. Somebody is going to be in control of every encounter a law enforcement officer has with the public. As police, it is in our best interest to dictate the way the encounter goes. This is not an assholish attitude, it is what is best for everybody involved. My intention when I respond to something is to find out what the problem is, and what the best solution is. Sometimes the best solution is to say "Sir, are you aware there is a city disturbance code regarding loud music and/or disturbances after a certain hour? Just in case you were not aware, the law in the city of blah blah states xyz. Do you have any questions?" At this point he can ask whatever he needs to, and we can make sure we are on the same page. Once we have an understanding, I shouldn't have to come back for the same reason. Do you agree or disagree with this? If you disagree, please explain why.

Also, it's not about kissing my ass. It's about respect. I will answer any question you have, treat you with respect, and ensure you are aware of what the law requires regarding the reason I am there. Even if you did something wrong, I will treat you with respect until you or your actions dictate that I respond differently. Again, it's all in how you handle yourself. I can always remain professional, but if you are a prick you are not doing yourself any favors in the way of being let off easy. Discretion is a great thing. I would venture to say that >80% of people I deal with handle themselves respectably. If you want to get an attitude simply because you are being inconvenienced by being questioned by a police officer, you need to re-evaluate your attitude. Many people cop an attitude simply because they are interacting with the police AT ALL. Do as you please, but what's the point in acting this way?

When I approach someone I don't know, I have to take control of the situation until I am completely comfortable with what is going on. This is because I never know what or who I am walking up to. I don't know you from Adam, so I am going to take certain precautions to ensure everything is ok. I will do things like ask to see your hands, and that you keep them out of your pockets. I will ask for your identification, and do a quick criminal history and check to see if you are wanted or if you are a convicted felon. This is standard, and if you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. Better safe than sorry. I know it's an inconvenience, but it is a necessary evil. Giving an attitude while I am gathering information about who you are, why I am there, and what is going on, is not going to help you whatsoever. Can we at least agree on this much?

It should never be about police vs. citizen. It should be about finding out what happened, and figuring out what the best way to fix it is. Sometimes fixing it is easier than other times. The us vs. them mentality is just not productive, and causes more conflict than need be.

so then why did they take his fridge?

 

Originally Posted by mattg1983

quad level success

that seems to be the new go to move. just lie and say you were leveling yourself.

 

Originally Posted by Shaaarrrp

By cooperate I'm sure you include 'incriminate yourself' correct? No, that's not what I mean. However, if you lie to me and I end up finding out you lied to me, what do you expect to happen? And by amicably you mean, giving in to every police demand to make the process easier for the police. I don't demand anything, until you have refused to do what I've requested of you. Most of the time my typical comment is "Hey bud, would you do me a favor and put your hands where I can see them?" "Would you mind getting your I.D. for me? I just need to verify who you are." If you don't comply with something as simple as that, there's a problem. Agree?

I used to think cops were out there to protect citizens until a recent encounter....I'm just thankful my "know it all" friend said he didn't consent to a search and kept us out of jail. Police are certainly important and do a large part in keeping people safe but the vast majority of work police do is solely to drum up revenue for the city/county/state by arresting people for victimless crimes. People wouldn't have any problems with cops if they focused on stopping crimes which actually hurt people. And yes I know cops are just enforcing the laws but they do have discretion, which many don't seem to use properly.

I understand what you are saying in regard to discretion. Unfortunately, everybody is different when it comes to their use of discretion. Some guys have a standard for specific offenses, and they don't deviate from it no matter what. I tend to find out what happened, evaluate the cause, determine if it's something that can be resolved without any formal citations or charges filed, and take it from there. I know some guys aren't like this, but my first option is to attempt to resolve the situation without a paper trail if at all possible. Sometimes that's not going to happen, but it should always be considered.

i hate that leveling imlpies one thing everytime. i just do stupid shit like that for my own amusement. i dont say it as a way to come back later and be like ah, i was leveling the whole time. i got you, you are dumb. its just for my own stupid self amusement. not to try and like call people out or make people look dumb

 

Originally Posted by mattg1983

nah, I promise. You really think I thought you could make that mistake, get corrected and stil have no clue? Think what you want but i was def leveling

maybe im releveling you back. yeah.

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

maybe im releveling you back. yeah.

so you knew i was fucking around and faked butt hurt? And then faked thinking I was lying about leveling? That would be pretty sick but not buying that.

 

Originally Posted by TrafficKing

gl telling a cop not to search ur car if they want to

lol

"butt hurt" might be a little strong.

i wasnt. you win. but i wouldnt say i was mad in any way.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

It should never be about police vs. citizen. It should be about finding out what happened, and figuring out what the best way to fix it is. Sometimes fixing it is easier than other times. The us vs. them mentality is just not productive, and causes more conflict than need be.

I feel like we have slowly strayed away from this mentality as a society over the years

 

Originally Posted by jusfoldf1sh

yea ok, tell a cop they cant search your car...you will get far...and im an idiot looooollll

 

Originally Posted by userid363

wait... your suggestion is to allow searches of your vehicle? lol

 

Originally Posted by XXEDPXX

he didnt really suggest anything. you have to be pretty dim if you didnt get the jest of what he was saying

pretty sure i used jest completely wrong there. whatever

Pretty sure he's saying you shouldn't deny a search. What am I missing? He sarcastically says you'll get far if you don't allow a search. Are you suuuure I'm the dim one?

It actually doesn't delay the inevitable because there are often times where a police dog reacting is the only thing which is gonna allow that search of your car. Anyone with a clue knows police dogs are incredibly overrated, miss a lot, and half the time the dog that shows up isn't even a drug dog but is merely there to make you sweat and give yourself up.