Originally Posted by chancemcc

whos the worse toronto GM AA or BB.

its rly up in the air now

even bette rquestion. whos more overrated?

In terms of worst GM on the planet, BB is the absolute nut low. Not sure who is more overrated

 

Originally Posted by wantagolf

Brad Lincoln from the #Pirates to the #BlueJays for Travis Snider. Pgh has to be happy.

Ya I think Piittsburgh is going to win that trade.

 

Originally Posted by Mkind16

Are you really bitching about the GM who in the last 2 years got rid of Vernon Wells' contract at no cost and signed Jose Bautista for Jason Bay money because of Travis Snider? He should be in the hall of fame for those moves.

chance just likes to hate on anything involving Toronto, don't think anything of it.

and fwiw Brian Colangelo is the most overrated GM in Toronto.
AA>>>>>>>>>>BB>BC

rasmus deal too/

hes been absolutely wrong on everythiong the past 12 months. we were supposed to contend this year. picked up a bunch of shitty relievers in the offseason, did nothing when are starting pitching went too shit and now this. romero contract. sat snider in AAA all year while thames and davis manned left. i could go on

its a simple case of what have you done for me lately

Anthopolous is a retard, jesus christ, what an awful trade.

EDIT: For why I think it's an awful trade, this is the Rasmus deal in reverse. We've messed around with Snider so much, promoted him to the bigs too early, yanked him around, and finally this year, it looked like he was finally going to be left alone. His approach at the plate was far better this season, he was producing against left handed pitching, and he has historically crushed RHP. He is a post hype prospect that was unfairly treated in his young 20s. He plays solid defense, is a good base runner, and has big time power. I just don't see any upside to this deal at all, he finally filled the void we've had in LF all season. It's pretty clear that Anthopolous had something against Snider given his treatment of the guy since he's taken over as GM. Unlike others here, Anthopolous has done a magnifcent job since taking over the club and other than the Napoli/Francisco trade, has been basically flawless, but I think this trade is truly horrific and will come back to haunt the club. I really envision Snider breaking out and becoming a big time hitter in the MLB. Usually I would say I hope I'm wrong, but Snider has been jerked around so much and always handled it with class, I hope the guy rapes NL pitching and becomes a star, a true beauty and a guy I really will miss watching. I'm so rattled right now.

 

Originally Posted by heavyj80

lol san fran

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I'm torn about this trade. Lincoln is under team control for 2 more seasons than Snider, and he's making the league minimum during those 2 years. That's a huge asset for small market teams like the Bucs. I don't have Lincoln's SP/bullpen splits, but he has been LIGHTS OUT from the bullpen this season. Has a great curveball and throws mid 90s. His floor seems very safe as a mdidle reliever. I thought he was going to be our closer coming out of spring training next season. If he can be stretched out, he still has the potential to start down the line. Snider obviously has a ton of potential as a corner bat, but he's a mediocre fielder and under team control for 2 fewer seasons, so he has to really mash for this trade to work.

It's an OK move, a gamble for the Bucs. I would have preferred going after someone like Choo, Span, or David DeJesus if those first two were too expensive. The Bucs don't need high ceiling guys any more. They need proven MLBers.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

I'm torn about this trade. Lincoln is under team control for 2 more seasons than Snider, and he's making the league minimum during those 2 years. That's a huge asset for small market teams like the Bucs. I don't have Lincoln's SP/bullpen splits, but he has been LIGHTS OUT from the bullpen this season. Has a great curveball and throws mid 90s. His floor seems very safe as a mdidle reliever. I thought he was going to be our closer coming out of spring training next season. If he can be stretched out, he still has the potential to start down the line. Snider obviously has a ton of potential as a corner bat, but he's a mediocre fielder and under team control for 2 fewer seasons, so he has to really mash for this trade to work.

It's an OK move, a gamble for the Bucs. I would have preferred going after someone like Choo, Span, or David DeJesus if those first two were too expensive. The Bucs don't need high ceiling guys any more. They need proven MLBers.

I think you'll be pretty pleased with Snider's fielding. He may not have the elite range, but his jumps, instincts, and athleticism are all very good for a guy his size. He also has a solid arm.

METS GONNA MET

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Random, uncredible source from the Pirates blog:

Rumor is, Snider might not be a Pirate long. Possibly flipped in a deal for Choo..

I'd take that.

Lincoln's 0.50 ERA in 35.2 IP is the lowest of any major league reliever with a minimum if 30 IP.

Not bad ...

Pretty shocked anyone could think Pittsburgh lost this trade, seems so heavily to favour Pittsburgh that I'm shocked we even did it. Relievers are dime a dozen, they appear and disappear every year. Snider has big time potential still despite being 24 years old. He may never reach his potential, but I'd rather be the one to run him into the ground until he's useless rather than have a reliever.

Delabar is an incredible story and he has had some really good moments as a 7th/8th inning guy. Rooting hard for local boy Snider reaching his potential, was supposed to be a big time power bat as a prospect

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Lincoln isn't just some "reliever". He was the best reliever in baseball this season who could be a closer for 5 seasons (2 at league minimum salary) or has an outside shot of being stretched into a SP.

Snider is a gamble. He's a guy who hasn't hit consistently in the Majors. A guy with a high K rate and someone who has shown all the signs that he can mash scrubs in the desert but will struggle against real pitchers in the Great White North.

The trade could work out for the Bucs, obviously. But we've had tons of these kinds of players before: Jeff Clement, Andy LaRoche, Lastings Milledge. Snider has a higher ceiling that the latter two, but his risk of failure is probably just as high.

I guess I'm just bitter on relievers since every reliever brought through Toronto has failed miserably while we see sick turnover in relief pitching like Baltimore this year, Tampa Bay historically, etc. To me, relief pitching doesn't command value unless the guy is Mariano Rivera level. Lincoln has been nasty this season from his numbers (admittedly haven't seen him outside of highlights), but for his career, he's never done anything remotely close to this. I don't like the idea of paying for this one season, especially when Toronto isn't in a position to compete this year. We're selling low on a huge post-hype prospect for a reliever in a non-contending year.

Snider obviously has bust potential given his nasty K rate, but the guy is a quality, underrated defender in LF (you will see this soon enough), has elite power, and is someone who I believe could peak around .265 AVG and 30 HR quite easily. You combine those numbers with his defense, and age (24), and I just think Snider should command far more. I'm a huge fan of Snider obviously, and this kind of shocked me, so I'm pretty rattled tonight, but the guy is a class act and has worked really hard, he has all the "makeup" tools. Hopefully it works out, but think the Buccos got a good one tonight.

 

Lincoln isn't just some "reliever". He was the best reliever in baseball

Slow your roll there. Best reliever in baseball in Western PA? Surely you don't mean all of baseball. I can think of Chapman Jansen and Kimbrel off the top of my head and I put literally zero thought into it. Unless you meant reliever who could also serve as a starter at some point. And even then, Chapman should really be starting.