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  1. There is no chemistry in baseball.

    Every decision could be made by computer and probably made better without human biases.

    Say what you want baseball managers should be replaced by a computer or just a figurehead who does whatever the computer says but just does not tell the public that is how he is managing.

    Im out.
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  3. Tony LaRussa would dissapprove of this thread,

    Seeriously though, look at the Cardinals lineup (Im a Cubs fan and hate the Cards), but how does he do it. I dont recognize one name on their team except for Pujols, yet every year the man is a winner. Any computer would go 50-112 with his lineup.
  4. go die or refute my claims.
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  5.  
    Originally Posted by JayAces View Post

    Tony LaRussa would dissapprove of this thread,

  6. You are wrong, but thanks for trying to fit in anyway.
  7. computers can't argue with umpires
  8. Or smoke cigarettes in dugouts.
  9. OP has obviously never played competitive baseball.
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by JayAces View Post


    Tony LaRussa would dissapprove of this thread,

    Seeriously though, look at the Cardinals lineup (Im a Cubs fan and hate the Cards), but how does he do it. I dont recognize one name on their team except for Pujols, yet every year the man is a winner. Any computer would go 50-112 with his lineup.

    Bah, these baseball romanticists (like Costas) love to talk about LaRussa and what complicated decisions they make. If you look into more most baseball decisions are fairly straightforward.

    Put LaRussa on the Pirates, and they still will be horrible. Give Belichick control on the Bengals and they will be playoffs contenders right away and championship contenders in a couple years.

    Im out.
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  11.  
    Originally Posted by maxgridlock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by JayAces View Post


    Tony LaRussa would dissapprove of this thread,

    Seeriously though, look at the Cardinals lineup (Im a Cubs fan and hate the Cards), but how does he do it. I dont recognize one name on their team except for Pujols, yet every year the man is a winner. Any computer would go 50-112 with his lineup.

    Bah, these baseball romanticists (like Costas) love to talk about LaRussa and what complicated decisions they make. If you look into more most baseball decisions are fairly straightforward.

    Put LaRussa on the Pirates, and they still will be horrible. Give Belichick control on the Bengals and they will be playoffs contenders right away and championship contenders in a couple years.

    Im out.

    You said you were out the first time...
  12.  
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post


    OP has obviously never played competitive baseball.

    and exactly how many wins do you think a good manager is worth over an average manager (my guess is a game or two at most)

    and no i dont want to fit in with this idiot crowd im merely trying to educate.
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  13.  
    Originally Posted by DaVols View Post

    computers can't argue with umpires

    obviously you need a figurehead.

    what good has an argument with an umpire ever done for a team??

    and LaRussa had the best one two combo in the league in Pujols and Ludwick last year and they did not win shit.
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by maxgridlock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post


    OP has obviously never played competitive baseball.

    and exactly how many wins do you think a good manager is worth over an average manager (my guess is a game or two at most)

    and no i dont want to fit in with this idiot crowd im merely trying to educate.

    One to two games?!?!?! You have no clue OP. A bad manager could cost you 20-30 games a year, while I agree a manager does not desreve the credit with every win, a great manager can make the difference in 15-20 games a year. That is the difference between first and last in most races.

    Now stay out for good. ktkxbye.
  15. Yep. I mean Joe Torre obviously didn't make the richest team in sports any better. Obviously.
  16. 1. uneducated

    2. un-trained eye

    3. no awareness

    whatever, Least Powerful Poster for the Month of May 2009 goes to you.
  17.  
    Originally Posted by JayAces View Post

     
    Originally Posted by maxgridlock View Post


     
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post


    OP has obviously never played competitive baseball.

    and exactly how many wins do you think a good manager is worth over an average manager (my guess is a game or two at most)

    and no i dont want to fit in with this idiot crowd im merely trying to educate.

    One to two games?!?!?! You have no clue OP. A bad manager could cost you 20-30 games a year, while I agree a manager does not desreve the credit with every win, a great manager can make the difference in 15-20 games a year. That is the difference between first and last in most races.

    Now stay out for good. ktkxbye.

    ha ha ha you are one of the dumbest men alive you think a manger can have a 50 game swing on a season ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    just look at Pat Kelly's managerial career. He was a young genius with Kirby Puckett and the boys same guy same city 10 years later he never won anything again.
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  18.  
    Originally Posted by lane1300 View Post


    1. uneducated

    2. un-trained eye

    3. no awareness

    whatever, Least Powerful Poster for the Month of May 2009 goes to you.

    random conjencture from the crowd.

    no facts to back up your claim.

    the great thing is billy bean who is probably the most influential thinker in baseball in the last 20 years decided one day to fire his manager one day (after a bunch of good seasons) just for fun because he knows managers are worthless.
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  19. fwiw the op is probably right despite being a moron / douche
  20. el oh el.

    most ignorant baseball anaylsis ever
     
  21.  
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post


    el oh el.

    most ignorant baseball anaylsis ever

    people love to romanticize about baseball. but when it comes down to it, its a game purely of numbers and its an individual game.
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  22. this thread sucks
  23.  
    Originally Posted by maxgridlock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post


    el oh el.

    most ignorant baseball anaylsis ever

    people love to romanticize about baseball. but when it comes down to it, its a game purely of numbers and its an individual game.

    Sigh...you're still here. You said you were gone twice now. We all were excited.
  24. meh there IS chemistry in baseball and some managers are clearly better than others at getting W's.

    Although Atlanta had very strong pitching for a lot of years, I doubt the Braves would have strung together more than a dozen straight division titles without Cox as manager.
  25.  
    Originally Posted by 2Slick4u View Post


    meh there IS chemistry in baseball and some managers are clearly better than others at getting W's.

    Although Atlanta had very strong pitching for a lot of years, I doubt the Braves would have strung together more than a dozen straight division titles without Cox as manager.

    ive seen zero proof of this. while ive sighted like 4 examples of mangers not matter and for the record im out means im done with this current post.

    pocketfives biggest collection of idiots on the net.
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  26.  
    Originally Posted by 2Slick4u View Post

    meh there IS chemistry in baseball and some managers are clearly better than others at getting W's.

    Although Atlanta had very strong pitching for a lot of years, I doubt the Braves would have strung together more than a dozen straight division titles without Cox as manager.

    I agree and take the complete other side of the argument than the OP. Chemistry is very important in baseball , however I think it is the hardest sport to achieve it in because there are so many 'specialists' and people who do very different things on every team. Getting them all on the same page is something only great managers can do.
  27. i generally agree that a computer could do a better job, but mainly because i think MLB managers have fallen into some terrible habits (closers)
  28.  
    Originally Posted by ImSoMucked View Post

    i generally agree that a computer could do a better job, but mainly because i think MLB managers have fallen into some terrible habits (closers)

    agree 100 percent as if you look at a team like the Indians they obviously had a huge weakness in the bullpen and adressed it by spending 11 mil on Kerry Wood (probably 1/7 their payroll) its a pretty bad move because the bullpen outside of him has been the worst in baseball and with his injury history he can't pitch more than one inning. obviously this is more a front office thing, and in general the Indians, are a pretty well run team. However, this is obv, a questionable decision.
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  29.  
    Originally Posted by maxgridlock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by ImSoMucked View Post

    i generally agree that a computer could do a better job, but mainly because i think MLB managers have fallen into some terrible habits (closers)

    agree 100 percent as if you look at a team like the Indians they obviously had a huge weakness in the bullpen and adressed it by spending 11 mil on Kerry Wood (probably 1/7 their payroll) its a pretty bad move because the bullpen outside of him has been the worst in baseball and with his injury history he can't pitch more than one inning. obviously this is more a front office thing, and in general the Indians, are a pretty well run team. However, this is obv, a questionable decision.

    well, its more so the fact that managers almost always use their best bullpen arm only in the 9th inning, which is completely retarded. I'm sure if a computer went through and did millions of simulations, it would manage the bullpen arms completely different and use the best pitcher in a number of different situation.

    managers have fallen into this norm of how to manage a team and it is really inefficient, but they are afraid to change. a computer wouldn't make the same mistakes
  30. :See Ned Yost (2008 season)