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  1. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 10:56pm)

    Not taking into account contractual reasons

    What is the best path for a young baseball prospect to succeed.

    Bring them up as quickly as possible to get adjusted to major league pitching as soon as possible, (assuming player will get full time play and not as a platoon or pinch hitter).


    or


    keeping them longer than normal so they are not "rushed" to the MLB.


    Also not taking into account what necessarily best for the team but just what is best for the individual player in terms of what's the best method of advancing development.
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 10:58pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    slow
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:01pm) in reply to ChocoThunder

    def work way through minors, whats the point of bringing him up to either sit on the bench or hit .200
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:02pm) in reply to TMLMS13

    As you climb up the minor league ladder, each league gets tougher (more talent). So naturally you let a prospect move up through the system. Making sure he competes well at each level, which takes time.

    This ain't the nba nucca.
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:03pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    it depends on the player. i choose to believe the general way they do it is the best cause I trust somebody who spends their life doing that as their job than me or any fan of the game. i wouldnt say bring them up to get used to pitching. but if they are ready.
    Edited By: XXEDPXX Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:05pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    Players are brought up based on performance and mental makeup. There is no specific formula, this is why certain teams have better farm systems. Its a judgement call.
     
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:14pm) in reply to gotzballz

    I'm not sure if its bad waiting a year or two too long to bring a guy up, but you can severely disrupt a players' development if he's brought up too soon. Carlos Gomez is a good example of this. You don't want to bank on a guy learning or improving a specific skill in the majors.
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:27pm) in reply to krs33

    In MLB2K11, they made me start in the minors, but made it up before the post-season....so it must be real. /brag
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:32pm) in reply to krs33

     
    Originally Posted by krs33 View Post

    I'm not sure if its bad waiting a year or two too long to bring a guy up, but you can severely disrupt a players' development if he's brought up too soon. Carlos Gomez is a good example of this. You don't want to bank on a guy learning or improving a specific skill in the majors.

    Gomez is a great example an even better one is Cameron Maybin. Minor league pitchers are not MLB pitchers and Maybin is as clueless now as he was 3 years ago when the Tigers rushed him to the majors. Bringing them along slow and advancing 1 level per year is the way to go, imo. Once reaching AAA top of the line prospects, again imo should get their feet wet when rosters expand Sept. 1
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:50pm) in reply to sellittojohn

    take drew stubbs for example.


    now his numbers this year and last year are pretty similar but hes been more consistent this year. he was allowed to bat .186 in april, .230 in june, .213 in july.

    then august, he batted .296 then september .311

    Hypothetically if he were to play the first 4 months of the season in AAA would he be ready to come in those last 2 months and bat over .300?
    Edited By: poisoneye1986 Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:51 PM
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    Jun 7th, 2011 (6/7/2011 11:54pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    Depends on the player. Obviously someone out of college is going to get pushed through the system quicker than high school players would. The organization needs to find out rather quickly if a college player is worth their time and money because they are older. (this excluding the high round picks)

    Also depends on the position. Pitchers will usually go through the system faster than position players. Relief pitchers will fly through the farm system, especially on bad teams. College relief pitchers are in the majors very quickly and sometimes will be in the majors the same year they are drafted.

    So it all depends, but the slower the better 90% of the time.
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    Jun 8th, 2011 (6/8/2011 12:01am) in reply to whoMikeB

    I think rushing is more of an issue with pitchers than hitters. It's always going to be a tough adjustment to the majors for hitters, but fully developed pitchers generally have an easier transition. I don't think there's any negative to leaving a player in the minors for too long, though, so rushing would be the bigger concern. For financial reasons, the Rays arguably leave all their prospects in the minors longer than necessary and don't seem concerned about it. They've also gotten nice returns.
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    Jun 8th, 2011 (6/8/2011 12:05am) in reply to sellittojohn

     
    Originally Posted by sellittojohn View Post

    Gomez is a great example an even better one is Cameron Maybin. Minor league pitchers are not MLB pitchers and Maybin is as clueless now as he was 3 years ago when the Tigers rushed him to the majors. Bringing them along slow and advancing 1 level per year is the way to go, imo. Once reaching AAA top of the line prospects, again imo should get their feet wet when rosters expand Sept. 1

    I made a post about this in the Jose Bautista thread from earlier this year.

    He was treated the same way...although his was because he was selected in the rule 5 draft--not because he was ready to come up.

    I firmly believe his growth was stunted horribly by him being called up way too early and being sent to 5 teams in one baseball season.
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    Jun 8th, 2011 (6/8/2011 12:34am) in reply to whoMikeB

     
    Originally Posted by whoMikeB View Post

    Depends on the player. Obviously someone out of college is going to get pushed through the system quicker than high school players would. The organization needs to find out rather quickly if a college player is worth their time and money because they are older. (this excluding the high round picks)

    Also depends on the position. Pitchers will usually go through the system faster than position players. Relief pitchers will fly through the farm system, especially on bad teams. College relief pitchers are in the majors very quickly and sometimes will be in the majors the same year they are drafted.

    So it all depends, but the slower the better 90% of the time.

    As a general rule, college pitchers are more polished and closer to being MLB ready than high school pitchers. High school pitchers take a few years to make it to the majors because they do not know how to pitch, most of this having to do with the fact that they can not throw a change up. I was a pitcher in HS and never learned how to throw a change up until my fresman year of college, 2 moths later tho i had Tommy John and pretty much ended that for me. College pitchers will make it to the majors a little faster because they dont spend a full season in low-A ball and in some cases they bypass all of A ball and head straight to AA.
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    Jun 8th, 2011 (6/8/2011 1:27am) in reply to sellittojohn

    Teams are also more apt to call up pitchers earlier because they're much more likely to sustain a major injury, and if they're major league-ready you don't want them toiling away in AAA.
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