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Baseball Question (earned runs)

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  1. Sickboy Sickboy is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:21pm)

    So in my fantasy league Im playing against a guy who started Kevin Gregg, who was originally charged with 2 earned runs in the 9th against the Braves today, but the site just updated the scoring and gave him 0 earned runs. Two runners scored in the inning, the first of which seems like a clear earned run from reading the play-by-play: Mclouth hit a single off Gregg, and the next batter hit a single and McLouth scored. Pretty straight forward.

    The next run is the one Im not too sure about - Martin Prado, who drove in McLouth, had reached third on a fielding error - two batters later he scored on a wild pitch. Is this charged against the pitcher or not? I was under the impression that it was only unearned if the batter reached base on an error, not just advanced. I could def be wrong though. Regardless, the first case seems like a pretty clear earned run - not sure why the site has it scored differently.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:24pm) in reply to Sickboy

    i may have misread this but what i gather is that both runs should be earned .. the 2nd should be earned because it seems as if the runner would have gotten to 3rd anyways despite the error( if not then this changes things) the WP is not considered an error and still keeps the run earned .. I was a pitcher in college and was always analyzing this shit but never got it 100% correct but this is my understanding
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:28pm) in reply to Sickboy

    Ok I just read the play by play, and if I read it correctly, both runs are unearned. Were it not for Fukudome's error, it would have been 1st and 2nd with one out. Anderson's ground out probably would have been a DP, but let's just say they get the force out at 3rd. Then Gregg's WP advances the runners to 2nd and 3rd, and McCann's grounder ends the inning with no runs scoring.

    Hope this all makes sense, perhaps you didn't see Fukudome's error in the box score?
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:30pm) in reply to Etrain99

    The 2nd run isn't an ER, but the first one should of been given what I can see in the boxscore. The 2nd run was scored based on the 2 errors the cubs had.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:31pm) in reply to marc1313

     
    Originally Posted by marc1313 View Post

    Ok I just read the play by play, and if I read it correctly, both runs are unearned. Were it not for Fukudome's error, it would have been 1st and 2nd with one out. Anderson's ground out probably would have been a DP, but let's just say they get the force out at 3rd. Then Gregg's WP advances the runners to 2nd and 3rd, and McCann's grounder ends the inning with no runs scoring.

    Hope this all makes sense, perhaps you didn't see Fukudome's error in the box score?

    i was gonna say how is the first run ever unearned if it came off of back to back hits with no errors .. but it seems as if OP forgot to mention errors before these hits instead of after? there is missing info or misleading info somewhere here
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:32pm) in reply to Sickboy

    sounds like mcclouth scored on an error, no? single scores a guy from first? so prado is on 3rd due to the error(s?) so the run doesn't count b/c he shouldn't have been on third when the wild pitch was thrown.

    0 ER imo
    but I'm not great on baseball rules, so...
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:38pm) in reply to marc1313

     
    Originally Posted by marc1313 View Post

    Anderson's ground out probably would have been a DP, but let's just say they get the force out at 3rd.

    I haven't seen the box score, but I do know that you can never assume a DP.

    I'm not sure how they'd score it if the groundout was to 3rd?? Do they assume the 3rd basemen will just step on 3rd for a force?

    Where was the groundout to?
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:39pm) in reply to JRoth15

    To go along with this...do fielder choice plays where a run scored count as an ER? You don't get a hit in these spots obv...
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:46pm) in reply to marc1313

     
    Originally Posted by marc1313 View Post

    Ok I just read the play by play, and if I read it correctly, both runs are unearned. Were it not for Fukudome's error, it would have been 1st and 2nd with one out. Anderson's ground out probably would have been a DP, but let's just say they get the force out at 3rd. Then Gregg's WP advances the runners to 2nd and 3rd, and McCann's grounder ends the inning with no runs scoring.

    Hope this all makes sense, perhaps you didn't see Fukudome's error in the box score?

    Ahhh I think you're right - for whatever reason, I just assumed Fukudome's error affected Prado advancing, not McLouth scoring. The PBP I read was worded "Prado singled to center, McLouth scored, Prado to third on center fielder Fukudome's fielding error" Which I kind of broke up as two isolated events for some reason. Obv it would be pretty tough for McLouth to score from first on a single to center without the error. Thanks for the help
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:49pm) in reply to JRoth15

     
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by marc1313 View Post

    Anderson's ground out probably would have been a DP, but let's just say they get the force out at 3rd.

    I haven't seen the box score, but I do know that you can never assume a DP.

    I'm not sure how they'd score it if the groundout was to 3rd?? Do they assume the 3rd basemen will just step on 3rd for a force?

    Where was the groundout to?

    Yea I know you can never anticipate the DP, but the grounder that GA hit was to Theriot, so the official scorer probably assumed that he would have tagged the lead runner out, or thrown to 3rd. That'd be my best guess, since I didn't get to see the play live.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:50pm) in reply to MyJobisYou

     
    Originally Posted by MyJobisYou View Post

    To go along with this...do fielder choice plays where a run scored count as an ER?

    Yes, assuming there wasn't an error that led to the runners being on/inning not being over.

    A batter will not receive an RBI if he grounds into a double play to score a run, though.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 6:53pm) in reply to marc1313

     
    Originally Posted by marc1313 View Post

    but the grounder that GA hit was to Theriot, so the official scorer probably assumed that he would have tagged the lead runner out, or thrown to 3rd.

    Yah that seems like it would be odd for an official scorer.
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