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  1. Hey- I am hoping we can talk a bit about some good types of investments for a college student; I'm sure plenty of us are in this boat. I have been making pretty good money playing poker (not bragging) and figure it's pointless to leave it sitting in a regular bank account. I have heard of Roth IRA's, but that's about the extent of my knowledge on investing money. I know I can google this topic, but thought it'd be good to generate discussion with people who have done some investing here. For a college student, what kind of options for investing are there? Which are more optimal? Sorry for the ignorance on the subject, and thanks for any advice.
  2. This is a really great topic to discuss, but I think we all need a little more information. Given a range ... how much would you be investing (couple thousand ... tens of thousands ... a hundred thousand ...) and how long do you want it to be invested before you see some kind of return? Are your risk averse? (big, longtime risk w/big return // small short term risk w/maybe a smaller return ... of course that's not always the case but it's an example to get you thinking).

    The first question though should always be do you have debt? Most college kids have some kind of credit card or car loan, etc ... in which case investing is counter productive and you'll be losing more than you're making. (I'm sure you already thought about that but I have to mention it just in case.)

    I think if you answer some of these questions OT will have more suggestions tailored to your current situation.
  3. go to https://www.schwab.com/ and open an account. there are no fees and they also have great free checking with interest. they will give you a free 30-45 minute phone consultation to all new members and this person can get you a great start. good luck
     
  4. i actually just did this bob2bob, and it's really easily to set up. the advisors at charles schwab were really helpful since i know nothing about investing at all. plus, there are no fees for most transactions.
  5. Thanks for the great response. I luckily have zero debt; my school is paid for, and I have no major expenses. I estimate at this rate I will make $75,000-$100,000 a year playing poker. I'm not sure what a good percentage of that would be to invest, which is another question I need answered, lol (I'm generally a smart person, but have zero experience with this). I'd rather not invest in something very volatile and risky. Instead, I'd like something that grows steadily and is relatively risk-free, and I don't plan on touching this money until much later years in life. Thanks again for the help
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  6. Are you filing as a professional poker player or do you have any earned income from another source? In order to contribute to an IRA your income must be considered "earned."

    http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...176508,00.html
  7. There are actually a lot of different investments you can do with poker winnings, and doing any type of investment is better than nothing. You can set up Individual Retirement Accounts which are either funded with pre-tax dollars, grow tax-deferred, and taxed upon withdrawal (traditional IRA) or are funded with after-tax dollars, grow tax-free, and are tax free upon withdrawal (Roth IRA). Both of these IRA's have limits of $5k per year and have withdrawal restrictions until 59 1/2.

    Another good investment that a self-employed professional poker player can do is a SEP IRA. This is where you can invest around 20% of your net profit (up to $40k) per year, which acts just like a traditional IRA. A SEP IRA is a great investment for tax savings, retirement savings, and also has a much larger limit than other IRA's.<span> </span>All IRA's can be setup into most mutual funds and are just regular mutual funds with the tax benefits.

    If you want a more liquid investment you can also do a straight mutual fund. With a regular mutual fund, you get the diversification of stocks and don't have age restrictions like with IRA's. A regular mutual fund is funded with after-tax money and if held for over 1 year, the earnings are only taxed as "capital gains", which is only 15% max per year. If you are worried about getting at your money for any reason, then regular mutual funds can be a really good investment.

    I also believe that variable life insurance can be a great investment for a young poker player who has some extra money that can be put away.<span> </span>When you front load (put away a lot at once) a variable life insurance policy, you get the advantage of an investment into the separate account (which is ran by mutual fund companies) and life insurance.<span> </span>This takes care of both needs and also has tax free earnings and tax-free withdrawal.<span> </span>People who are 1) Younger 2) Have a significant amount to invest (>$10K per year) 3) Want life insurance 4) Want an Investment that is more liquid in terms of age than IRAs, can benefit from variable life insurance.

    If you ever have any specific investing questions I'd be more than happy to answer.

    CardX
  8. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><H4 class=P5_PostHeader> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center><TD vAlign=top align=left rowSpan=2> </TD><TD align=left colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re:Basic Investing? </TD><TD vAlign=center align=right>In reply to </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>By A V0id In Me on 04-26-2008 6:11 PM </TD><TD align=right>Reply Favorites </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></H4> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=P5_PostContent><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ForumPostContentText>Thanks for the great response. I luckily have zero debt; my school is paid for, and I have no major expenses. I estimate at this rate I will make $75,000-$100,000 a year playing poker.
    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>good luck with that
  9. I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Those numbers are conservatively estimated.
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  10. Okay man, you're sharkscope is good. I don't know if you play on other sites and just don't list them but you're not tearing up stars multis. Don't know what you're playing live but IMO it's really hard to project out making 75k-100k playing poker for years to come. But hey maybe you're crushing it. How am I supposed to know?
  11. It's actually not hard to project expected income with a $25,000 safety gap.
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  12. so do you play live. cash or tourneys. How will you be making these large sums of money?
  13. Grrrr. Don't turn this into a PD post. His question has to do with investment advice. He doesn't owe capital budgeting explanations regarding his income to anyone here.
  14. Thank you. So far the advice in this thread is fantastic and I'll certainly absorb everything said. In response to the question above I am filing as a professional for taxes.
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  15. GRRRR. It's not about turning it into PD discussion. It's about getting this youngster to think beyond "I'm gonna make between 75k and 100k play poker and that's a conservative guess'. How long does he plan on playing poker? Is he graduating from college with a degree and if so what major? Is he gonna play full time? Does he only play online? What happens if there is more legisltion that makes internet poker even tougher?

    You all want to tell him how to invest his money without knowing what his plans are for the future. Reckless IMO
  16. You all? My question has to do with is he filing as a professional or not. Please post where I've given investment advice to him. You are correct, though, in that a lot of investment advice is freely thrown out on these boards without asking enough questions in order to understand the person who is in need of advice's situation. With that being said, it should involve some sitting down and doing some budgeting and other projections to do it correctly, which would include crunching income numbers, talking about investment biases and goals etc. When you get that detailed, I don't really think it's anyone's personal business here to know that much unless the OP wants to freely share it and I would strongly advise against that.

    If he has the ability to make a profitable living now, then maybe he should take advantage of it. I try to live in the now and not in the future and the kid is asking about saving for the future due to the income he is making now. That way if further legislation occurs, if poker dries up and all the other "ifs" happen he has savings so he's not in a crunch and has time to finish school or go get another job. The questions you're asking are loaded. They automatically assume he hasn't thought ahead or done any planning and he won't make it or isn't being realistic. You don't know enough about his situation to know what he's thought out. They also come across as a negative bias about him trying to playing poker for a living.
  17. i <3 that all of ot are mini detectives due to all the police tv they watch.....but just quit hating.....some ppl inherit well....some get lucky in different ventures.....the source of his money doesnt fucking matter

    hell, maybe hes a liar, would that make you feel better?

    and plus this post is interesting, i know next to nothing about investments
  18. I'm just trying to get the kid to think. I mean maybe he plans on opening a a chain of restaurants and he's going to need to use the money for starting capital. I also wanted to caution a young kid who thinks he's going to make 75-100k playing poker. And if he is investing good sums of money then he needs to get into a few companies like Fidelity and Schwab and speak with advisers. You don't want him mortgaging the future in OT where everyone's answer to success is buy GOOG

  19. How do you know that some of the people posting here haven't worked for the companies you mentioned or similar firms? You don't. Maybe you should quit making assumptions.
  20. GL with the investments DParker. Can I ask why you changed your stars and pocketfives names?
  21. How do you know that there is anyone here that has worked for those companies. Maybe you should stop making assumptions
  22. Because if you know their names they are easily verifiable on the FINRA website as well as their work history. I can also ask questions to help clarify the rest.
  23. alright, well is anyone out there qualified to give him advice? lets do it up
  24. Yes I am actually, along with the p5s name dparker(and a few numbers at the end)
  25. Dolphin, while I appreciate you bringing up the importance of considering the future, no one is telling me how to invest my money. I asked what the options were, and what may be optimal for a student in my situation. The responses simply lay out those options and give a good objective rundown on the various types of investments. For the record, I will be finishing school with a degree, and plan on playing poker for my primary income for the duration of my college years. I totally agree with you that it is extremely important to figure out where my future is headed before throwing my money around.
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  26. Honestly I'm not trying to be a dick. You're a youngster and if you're doing well with money the last thing I want to see you do is blow it. I saw how my mom got talked into s really aggressive mutual fund when I was younger by her banker and she lost more than half of it. She had no plan for what she wanted to do and no idea what she was doing. It sucked watching her go through that.

    I just wanted to make sure you weren't another kid thinking he's gonna conquer the poker world. But if you got a good track record, bet that shit up good. I wish you nothing but the best
  27. Your mom buying an aggressive mutual fund and A Void playing poker are independent events. He stated in his original post he doesn't want something too aggressive. A good planner will work with him regarding his timeframe and risk tolerance and take his thoughts about volatility into consideration, as well as educate him on the pros and cons of each option. Not sure how you're correlating those events and why you would ask questions about his income potential from poker and somehow equate it to your mom's buying an aggressive mutual fund. Taking your mom's feelings into considerations for setting up an investment plan for A Void is negative EV. IMO
  28. IMO your being a stinky poop hole. I used my mom as an example about an investor that wasn't knowledgable and was taken advantage of. WTF is your problem with me?
  29. Thanks again. I can assure you I have a good, grounded head on my shoulders. I do not think I will ever "conquer" the poker world, or that I am very talented. I do know that with consistent improvement and a certain volume I can and will achieve those numbers. I will take all investing advice and measures with caution.
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  30. You showed your ingorance hand, which is what caused me to chime in after your douchebag questions on page one. Don't get mad at me cause you got caught.

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