[Hughes4]

Dan is the only hope, because I think he can control her. But Dan is much more with Brit than anyone else.

[kmc28]

Dan's going to be the one to watch this week.

[Mkind16]

Dan was pushing for Shane to put up Frank as well. He'll def try to finagle a deal out of Joe, but he's not on Team Boogie.

[Hughes4]

Agreed. Id bet anything that Frank goes @ this point.
Using the veto seals that.

Now Im left with Ashley and Danielle in my battle with jamers.

I think all of team Boogie is in trouble and they really need a win at HOH

ashley is cute and well-liked but I dont think she's capable of winning anything. that keeps her way on the bottom of her alliance in terms of target.

Danielle is in the spotlight this week again obv but eventually theyre going to think shes floating between Team Janie and Team Shane, even though her actions this week benefit most.
The thing is that as soon as this week as over those two sides split again, deal or not. Janelle is going to want the competitor out so she can run shit when the coaches are back.

Boogie really needs to convey this. If they keep Shane, Frank boogie all fighting in every competition to keep one another safe, its going to be tough to evict them. Shane clearly cant trust any of team Janelle after this week, wedding ring or not. If theyre minimally faithful, Jenn goes up as the pawn and if a veto is won, Shane is a goner

[Mkind16]

I truly believe from watching the last 2 days that Janelle's side plans to hold up their deal with Shane and not nominate him for 2 weeks. Even Dan thinks that Joe will now be indebted to Shane for saving his BB life. Both Wil and Ashley have made it known they view Ian as a bigger threat than Frank.

Of course, none of this really matters because all bets are off on Thursday when the coaches come in. It will sort of be like a reset on the game since we don't know if current alliances will remain in tact or if it will become coaches vs players. My bet would be on the former, in which case Shane's deal would be even safer since Janelle and her players would target Boogie, Dan, and Ian before Shane. However, I still don't think all 4 coaches are coming in so all speculation is simply hearsay until Thursday.

[Hughes4]

so the coaches are in before the vote, youre saying?

In that case Dan should join up with the new renegades. being in an alliance with 3 huge targets would be great for dan and danielle.
where on Janey's side, Dan is target 2 or 3

[kmc28]

Something about the coaches coming into the game: On the CBS website (where you can vote), it says "Should the coaches be offered the chance to enter the game and compte...?"

I could totally see them setting it up similar to the endurance part of the final HoH of BB8. The first person to let go of their key is evicted from the house right then and it's effectively a double eviction week. It would kind of go back to the 1st week/night where you had to earn your key to get into the house.

Here's some of the video from the final HoH from BB8:

[Mkind16]

 

Originally Posted by Hughes4

so the coaches are in before the vote, youre saying?

In that case Dan should join up with the new renegades. being in an alliance with 3 huge targets would be great for dan and danielle.
where on Janey's side, Dan is target 2 or 3

Not at all. I just mean that we don't know if Wil/Joe/Ashley will still be with Janelle against Boogie or if the game will split into newbies vs vets again. If the game splits into newbies vs vets, the deal Shane made this week would be obsolete. I don't think that's what is going to happen though.

Kmc: it's an interesting idea, but the whole purpose of bringing the coaches in is to boost the ratings. There's 0 chance they evict one this Thursday (although I'd bet one of them gets evicted next Thursday via the game itself). The semantics of the question lead me to believe there will be an ultimatum given either to all of the coaches or each individually. Edited By: Mkind16 Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:54 AM

[kmc28]

I think all the coaches are going to (attempt to) join the game. The wording of the question makes me think they're going to have to earn their key like the rest of the houseguests did though (since they only got invitations instead of keys originally).

[Mkind16]

If given the choice, Brit would 100% not enter.

[blackstar74]

if you like big brother you better A.) be a female B.) be gay either way you probably have a cock in your mouth.

[kmc28]

 

Originally Posted by blackstar74

if you like big brother you better A.) be a female B.) be gay either way you probably have a cock in your mouth.

 

Originally Posted by Mkind16

If given the choice, Brit would 100% not enter.

She's a fool if she doesn't enter--her only player left is one of the top targets in the house and there's going to be probably 10 left after this week. This is if production really gives them a choice even. I can totally see production saying something like "You're entering the game, but I need you to do a diary room session to act like you're doing it because you want to so we can put it on the show." if one of them doesn't want to join the game as a player.

[Hughes4]

a) No way it's an endurance comp or any comp to get in.

b) I think Janelle is way too close with Ash and Wil and even Danielle to have them flip and going against each other. I believe she'll lead the charge to boot Boogie and Shane and then enact girl power.

I believe CBS owes them a choice, because some/ all of them might not want to spend their time once booted in sequester.

[Hughes4]

I caught a snipit where Janey said they might let her see her baby in an offset area if she does get sequestered

[Mkind16]

 

Originally Posted by kmc28

She's a fool if she doesn't enter--her only player left is one of the top targets in the house and there's going to be probably 10 left after this week. This is if production really gives them a choice even. I can totally see production saying something like "You're entering the game, but I need you to do a diary room session to act like you're doing it because you want to so we can put it on the show." if one of them doesn't want to join the game as a player.

Brittney has said 100 times she only came on this show because she was promised she didn't have to come in as a player. She even explicitly told Jani the other day if given a choice she'd say no. I don't blame her. Brittney herself never wins against the other coaches. Shane at least has a shot, even as a target.

If you have the pay feeds, flashback to 11:38 last night camera 3 to Jani and Dan talking. Janelle was telling Dan that if she comes into the game, it would be a choice because of the way they worded something to her in the DR. They both think it will be 2 in, 2 stay as coaches. They made a deal in that case that Janelle would stay a coach (assuming Joe doesn't get voted out) in return for protecting Dan and Danielle.

And yeah Janelle told Brittney that before agreeing to do the show, she was told by production that if for some reason she had to go to jury/sequester, they would let her see her baby. In fact, that was one of the key things she told her the other day that started the movement to evict Frank because it convinced Brit the coaches were coming in and they had to get rid of Frank now.

[midmoguy]

 

Originally Posted by blackstar74

if you like big brother you better A.) be a female B.) be gay either way you probably have a cock in your mouth.

[Hughes4]

as decent as the coach's element could have been, this is where it all unravels and is just a sham.

it's affected every single player in the house.

loose cannon or not, willie was totally fucked by the coach stuff.

and if there were any other decent players on this season, they likely would have been screwed as well.
i.e. only being targeted because you have a strong coach or because coach's have side deals.

One of the best things about reality contests like BB and Survivor and the Challenge is having returning characters who you already like watching and are familiar with one another and we get to enjoy them some more.
AllStar seasons are the absolute best.
But when you throw them in with 'newbies' who deserve their own experiences, it takes away from what the game is.

[Sportbike33]

 

Originally Posted by blackstar74

if you like big brother you better A.) be a female B.) be gay either way you probably have a cock in your mouth.

your life is that bad that you have to crawl into a thread you don't care about and open your dick sucker

Edited By: Sportbike33 Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:18 PM

[kmc28]

 

Originally Posted by Hughes4

as decent as the coach's element could have been, this is where it all unravels and is just a sham.

it's affected every single player in the house.

loose cannon or not, willie was totally fucked by the coach stuff.

and if there were any other decent players on this season, they likely would have been screwed as well.
i.e. only being targeted because you have a strong coach or because coach's have side deals.

One of the best things about reality contests like BB and Survivor and the Challenge is having returning characters who you already like watching and are familiar with one another and we get to enjoy them some more.
AllStar seasons are the absolute best.
But when you throw them in with 'newbies' who deserve their own experiences, it takes away from what the game is.

100% agree. I hate this coaches dynamic. It is just silly as it is with 4 coaches. Imagine how silly it'll be with only 2 if the 4 coaches go 2 and 2 (2 decide to join the game, 2 stay coaching). That's kind of why I'm thinking all 4 just join the game. We can talk about this all we want for the next 3 days, but it's all speculation haha. Let's just wait until Thursday to find out.

[Hughes4]

Why not speculate? It is fun.
BB is clearly a show that does things to serve itself and has no regard for the players' desires or the game's fairness.

Im sure CBS wants at least a coach or two to remain a coach. This is because it will lengthen the amount of times the coaches/ratings remain in the house.

So will it be a choice or a competition? Based upon my prior logic, Im thinking comp. It makes sense as the coach's comp has been consistent and has consistently raised the stakes.

Also maybe some weird choice where the players get to have a say. That could cause a lot of drama, which is always encouraged.

a simple choice for all 4 coaches is just too boring

[Hughes4]

I like the idea of an endurance comp, which of course gives them their own option to drop. Top two would make it into the game as players.

No way do they evict a veteran for not hanging on, srry

[kmc28]

Well I'm thinking that, because of the wording, they will have to choose if they would like to try and return to the game as a houseguest and not a coach, and then they have to compete to earn their key (whether that's vs just the other coaches trying to get in or all the houseguests). Remember, the houseguests had to "earn their key" as well on the first night. RIP Jodi.

[Hughes4]

yes. I read your post.
Theyre not going to boot a ratings machine when they dont have to.

THe only wording I heard is an "opportunity"

If their choice is whether or not to even compete then fine. I think theyd still dress themselvves up and wait for a possible 'temptation' even if they have no desire to become a houseguest

[Hughes4]

realizing that our disagreement is on what will happen to the 'loser' of such a competition.
Im sure they'll just go back to coaching.

But I also think winning will be just like any coaches' comp. You can A. Join the game B. Trade a Player or C. Keep a Player safe.

Thus, thats where the choice is involved Edited By: Hughes4 Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:47 PM

[Hughes4]

Then they probably do it again and again until production has what they want.

If there are declines to enter the game, BB still has JoJo, Kara and this week's evictee in sequester

[Hughes4]

And it also makes sense with Janelle's conversation. "you will not have to go to jury..as a coach"
BB: Welp, Janie you wont even have to relinquish your coach role if you dont wish

[blackstar74]

 

Originally Posted by Sportbike33

your life is that bad that you have to crawl into a thread you don't care about and open your dick sucker

Hit a little to close to home?

[Sportbike33]

 

Originally Posted by blackstar74

Hit a little to close to home?

Obv having shitty day and lashed out immediately... But I do enjoy BB

[pokerjamers]

willie was fucked regardless if there were coaches or not.. he's an awful big brother player. calling him "decent" is a joke

[kmc28]

 

Originally Posted by pokerjamers

willie was fucked regardless if there were coaches or not.. he's an awful big brother player. calling him "decent" is a joke

Yeah, he should have never been casted to the show really. He was only casted because he's a member of the Hantz family, and CBS is all up on their nuts. He was the textbook example of playing too hard too fast. Awful player.