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Full table, u get 99 dealer shows 9. Split correct? Dealer always has a 10.
44 vs dealer 4. Split or double? -
split. double
Edited By: blufhard Mar 26th, 2011 at 09:47 PM
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split 9s. Never ever split 4s with the dealer showing a 4. VVerrrryy frustrating when people do things like that.
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Yea I imknew I did the 44 wrong as soon as I split. Got another 4 split again and then a 7 to double down. Didn't get over 16 on any of ember. Dealer got 18.
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Did anyone yell at you? When I used to play a lot, I used to usually keep my mouth shut at a full table, but explain why they shouldn't do that again. If they didn't listen, it was the most frustrating thing ever. Very easy for someone on a BJ table to directly fuck over your profits. I have such a love/hate relationship with BJ, sigh. Haven't played it in almost 2 years.
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LOL yeah. You hit you get 19...NM, you probably wouldn't have hit 12 against the 4 so dealer would have got the 7. How would that have changed the dealers hand?
Edited By: SICKTIGHT311 Mar 26th, 2011 at 10:14 PM -
yes it frustrates the hell out of me too. but in the long run it doesn't matter. they'll help you as much as they hurt you. But you wont remember the times they help you
Originally Posted by tsxxx04
Did anyone yell at you? When I used to play a lot, I used to usually keep my mouth shut at a full table, but explain why they shouldn't do that again. If they didn't listen, it was the most frustrating thing ever. Very easy for someone on a BJ table to directly fuck over your profits. I have such a love/hate relationship with BJ, sigh. Haven't played it in almost 2 years.
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How will they help you? Their mistakes are +ev for the casino, not the other players. It's not like poker where others -ev plays are +ev for you, you are basically playing all together against the dealer on a BJ table. Every mistake you make increases their (the casino's) odds.
Edited By: AnonymousX Mar 26th, 2011 at 10:21 PM -
Ive never understood/dont know why anyone would split 9's in a scenario like this.
I mean ur playing that the dealer has a 10 under there at all times so why would you wanna split and what cards are you hoping for? 2 10's so you push?
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EDIT: In reply to tsxxx
Edited By: SICKTIGHT311 Mar 26th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
Example: Dealer showing 5, n00b has 12. n00b hits 12, gets a K, busts. Dealer shows 6 under, hits a 4 and then a J. If n00b stays like he should, dealer pulls 21, instead, they bust. It's like that thing where the dealer is showing a 2 and you have a 12. Sometimes a hit will work out good for you, sometimes it wont. The odds are still the same, 51/49 in the long run. -
Originally Posted by tsxxx04;6226979[B
]How will they help you?[/B] Their mistakes are +ev for the casino, not the other players. It's not like poker where others -ev plays are +ev for you, you are basically playing all together against the dealer on a BJ table. Every mistake you make increases their (the casino's) odds.
How will they hurt you? Them making the wrong decision has 0 impact on other players in the long run...people yelling at other players tilts the f out of me. Let them play how they want to play. -
Aren't the odds only 51/49 in casinos favor when playing proper strategy?
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split, hit
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Originally Posted by SICKTIGHT311
It's actually 50.5/49.5 but I'm nitpicking. If you play like shit, it will be closer to 60/40 but has no effect on other players in the long run.
I don't understand how it doesn't affect other players at a table but it doesn't really matter. I only yelled at someone once, and they didn't even speak English (and I was drunk) and they were annoying the hell out of me. I generally only play once a year now (on my bday) but for the first time since 21 I didn't make it to the casino this past year. Also, many times the dealers would comment about how I should say something because it was costing me money. I used to play farrrrrr too often. To the point where a floor manager once commented that a nice young girl like me needs to stop coming down to AC and deggening so often. That's when I limited myself to once a year, lol. I also ran ridiculously below expectation and had >15 losing sessions in a row-playing properly obv. -
I never understood why people care how everyone else plays. It doesn't effect you. How many times has somebody done something stupid and ended up taking the dealers money card and everybody wins? Just laugh at them in the inside. I dare somebody to yell at me at a blackjack table. I mainly play by the book but I will venture out a little. Stay on 16 when I should hit. Split 4's, etc.
Originally Posted by tsxxx04
Did anyone yell at you? When I used to play a lot, I used to usually keep my mouth shut at a full table, but explain why they shouldn't do that again. If they didn't listen, it was the most frustrating thing ever. Very easy for someone on a BJ table to directly fuck over your profits. I have such a love/hate relationship with BJ, sigh. Haven't played it in almost 2 years.
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You'd be surprised just how little dealers know about blackjack.
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hitting on 16 is the only thing that isn't standard by the books I thought. You're just supposed to always do the same thing. I could be wrong, though obviously. I posted later that I only yelled at someone once and it his lack of BJ skills was only half of it. He was the only other person at my table and kept hitting on 17 and 18 and I had been tallying up how much it cost/gained me and it lost me over $500 and then I got kind of bitchy but he didn't speak a word of English so it was a waste of my time. My bitchiness in that instance was nothing compared to how nasty I've seen people get, though.
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book says split 99/ just hit with 44 /thread
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get your ass off the chair and walk to the guest store and pay three bucks for the perfect strategy card. place that puppy right in front of you and continue playing.
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You split the first scenario. Get 19 and 19. Dealer rolls a 4 and a brick, you win.
Edited By: sponge1430 Mar 26th, 2011 at 11:55 PM
You flat hit the second. You get a 3 and a 9 for 20. Dealer brick bricks, you win.
Either way...in about 2 mins they are bringing in some 3'9" or shorter Asian lady who is going to start dealing the house 21's like it's nobody's business. You will start pressing your bets and be out 7 or 8 hundo in 4mins or less. GG you. -
What's the count??
Seriously tho,
don't split nines. never split fours.
and it makes 0 difference to you what others do... that is all.
this makes no sense... you mean you like kept track of where all the cards would have been after the first time he did it, rainman style?Originally Posted by tsxxx04
hitting on 16 is the only thing that isn't standard by the books I thought. You're just supposed to always do the same thing. I could be wrong, though obviously. I posted later that I only yelled at someone once and it his lack of BJ skills was only half of it. He was the only other person at my table and kept hitting on 17 and 18 and I had been tallying up how much it cost/gained me and it lost me over $500 and then I got kind of bitchy but he didn't speak a word of English so it was a waste of my time. My bitchiness in that instance was nothing compared to how nasty I've seen people get, though.
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It drives me crazy when people freak out over others playing improperly. Sure, you remember all the times they hit on hard 17 against a 8, get a 3, stand, and you get a 10 on your dealt 15, but you forget about all the times they get the 10 and bust, while you get the 3. It really has no effect on your hand. It's going to even out for the most part.
I admit I do have one friend I get mad at because he just flat out doesn't understand blackjack at all. A few weeks ago he actually split 10s against a dealer 10, and split 8s against a dealer 10. We finally realized he thinks the purpose is to get 21, he hasn't understood that the purpose is to beat the dealer. He split the 8s against a 10 because we told him he should have split 8s against a dealer 4, but he is too dumb to understand the difference. But the only reason I get mad at him is because he throws a shitfit whenever he loses a hand. He punches the table, and tells us we owe him money when he asks us what to do and he loses. He also drops repeated "fucks" after warnings from the dealer to watch his language. When we were in Vegas, he also couldn't understand the basic rules of pai gow. He's the worst gambler ever. -
Uhhh, he did the proper thing in splitting 8's against a dealer's ten.
Edited By: Niceguy Mar 27th, 2011 at 01:03 AM
Proper strategy involves making a winning hand, not staying on a losing hand. 18(9,9) versus a dealers 9, is a losing hand. Splitting, gives you a chance to tie @ 19 or continue to hit. On 4's, you should be doubling on dealer's 2's 3's 4's 5's and 6's, hitting against the rest.
**Wizard of odds contradicts my 9's statement, but I won't edit it out. -
kept track of hands I lost vs hands I won due to his mistakes it didn't take very long to get to $500 I was playing $50 hands and he was betting on 17 and 18 every time. He didn't win me very many hands at all.
Originally Posted by deadeyehank
What's the count??
Seriously tho,
don't split nines. never split fours.
and it makes 0 difference to you what others do... that is all.
this makes no sense... you mean you like kept track of where all the cards would have been after the first time he did it, rainman style? -
You only don't split 9s on a dealer A, 7, or 10
Edited By: unemployable Mar 27th, 2011 at 01:39 AM
You never split 4s, don't double either, hit that bitch
Oh, and don't berate other players either. Their mistakes can help or hurt you equally.
@tsxxx. What Hank is saying is you can only really know how his mistake affected you on that one hand. For example where you keeping track when after he hit a hand the very next hand you got dealt a blackjack?
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single deck, though.









