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  1. SharksGuys87 SharksGuys87 is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:16am)

    Can someone who is blind from birth see anything in there dreams?

    Can someone who is blind at a certain point later in there life see stuff in there dreams?
  2. timthegem timthegem is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:30am) in reply to SharksGuys87

    I'm sure the answer to the second question is Yes.

    The first question is very interesting. I wonder if any studies have been done on it. If they can see things in their dreams, it could be evidence of out-of-body experiences or even past lives. Otherwise how could their dreams have visual substance?
  3. Ladyelektra71 Ladyelektra71 is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:37am) in reply to SharksGuys87

    Interesting question.!

    I think they dream with their other sensories ..like sounds, tastes, and feelings..maybe they dream of a chocolate cake and dreram they are tasting it ..tho they cant see it..I dunno..would be very interesting to find out!
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:38am) in reply to timthegem

    Ive gotten to know many blind people from when i learned how to tune pianos. They are incredible with their ears. I asked them many questions ive always wanted to know. Such as what they feel would be harder, blind or deaf. To my suprise they all said beind deaf would be worse, as they said the whole world would be mute.

    Those that were born blind, have no concept of what anything might look like unless they take the object and completely examine it with their hands. For instance, if you were to have them hold a hammer, they could get an idea for what it looks like by feeling it. They also will never have a concept of color. If you were to ask them how to describe the color green, they wouldnt know where to begin.

    Those that had sight, and lost it later, can absolutely see things, in their dreams. It was night and day between those who had seen, and who had never seen.

    On the other hand, they can do things with their ears we can only dream of. It really is amazing how they use their ears to get around.
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  5. timthegem timthegem is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:38am) in reply to Ladyelektra71

    Let's make a baby and sew its....nah, I couldn't do that.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:40am) in reply to SharksGuys87

    Another interesting thought, probably best asked to someone who was born with sight but became 100% blind later in life... do blind people just constantly 'see' blackness, ie is the sense identical to when you're in pitch black?

    So if any blind people are reading this, please answer.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:44am) in reply to DJam21

    Doh!
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:49am) in reply to DJam21

    djam i asked this to many of the blind people i learned piano tuning with. Most of them could tell if they moved from a pitch black room, to a room with light. There was a slight difference in the darkness around them they would say. If someone is 100 percent completely blind, then this is not possible. Its possible to do a 360 until your face hits the sun, but you wouldnt see light.

    I think most people that our blind are like 90-99 percent blind, and can detect minute amounts of light. not in the way we can though.

    If there are any dying questions one would like to know, I could always ask my friend who is blind. When i moved to Portland to study Piano Tuning, I met this guy and helped him get around. I learned so much about blind people, and how amazing they are if they have the right attitude.
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  9. SharksGuys87 SharksGuys87 is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:51am) in reply to Wiscomurray

    interesting
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 9:06am) in reply to SharksGuys87

    <A target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blindness.org">www.blindness.org
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    This is the official website for The Foundation Fighting Blindness.

    It has a lot of interesting information regarding the different diseases that cause blindness. My son has retinitis pigmentosa. It is amazing to see the new research that is being done to find a cure. I pray every day that a cure is found before he and others like him go completely blind.

    By far, I feel the worst of all possible worlds would be Usher's Syndrome. These people are born able to see and hear, but eventually lose both their sight and hearing.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 9:22am) in reply to SharksGuys87

    came across this online...

    Those who are born blind or become blind before the age of five do not see in their dreams. Nevertheless, their dreams are just as rich in narrative and detail as in sighted people. If one's sight is lost after the age of seven, dreams will still brim with visual imagery. A grey area exists between five and seven years.
    Interestingly, those rapid eye movements (REMs) signifying that a dream is in progress do not occur, or occur very weakly, for those born blind or blinded before five.
    How about congenitally deaf people? It appears that they may dream in sign language! Their dreams are also more colorful than those of people with normal hearing.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 9:33am) in reply to -AG-

    Wild post, and kudo'z to sharksguy for the request for two cents, and as always, the 1L for the nice follow up.

    i think 2 is obv, but one is interesting as 'seeing' is not necessary for linear communication in the mind. I think, that they can 'see', but defining it becomes hard because a 'cahir' to them not in the same class of defined structure that we may be using. For example, we use lines aand form of the chair to define it's shape, whereas a blind person might build that into something we may see that looks like a lamp post. That is his chair. He sees it, and it is, but if forms a different perspective on out senses than his.

    But I say yes. they can see.
    Whatever they want to.
    That, to me, is cool.

    The sign language thinking is kind of alojg these same lines, so i can dig it.

    Right on, appreciate the chance to pipe in.

    piece.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 12:59pm) in reply to SharksGuys87

    My father lost his sight in his 30's, and I can remember him telling me about nightmares he had from time to time. However, it never dawned on me to ask him if he was actually "seeing" what he was dreaming. I would've always thought YES for #2, especially for someone who lost their site after so many years of having it. But I can't remember ONE time (now that I think of it) where my father described a past event using descriptions such as colors, clothing, etc... really weird now that I think of it.
     
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 3:01pm) in reply to SharksGuys87

    good post
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 4:23pm) in reply to SharksGuys87

    Blind people can beat lions in fights to the death imo.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 4:25pm) in reply to -AG-

    Wow that is crazy. Imagine dreaming with no visuals? I can't at all.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 4:47pm) in reply to Ladyelektra71

    ^^ Interesting use of the period/exclamation point combination.
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 5:11pm) in reply to -AG-

    "Their dreams are also more colorful than those of people with normal hearing."

    How do u get more colorful????????
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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 5:53pm) in reply to El Burro

    all very interesting
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