Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Condoms are only to prevent giving her your stds if you truly care about her. If you bust in her mouth with the first load it is nearly impossible to get her pregnant with the 2nd. Science

 

Originally Posted by goofy2485

God I fucking hate FistFights. "Well I have been an atheist since about age 14 and don't believe that in such an early stage it is considered killing a baby." Most atheists believe in fucking science and science tells us thats a fucking baby.

nope

am i reading the fistfights story right? as far as i can tell, he wanted her to have an abortion, so he told her parents that she was pregnant. did i miss anything?

Fistfights discussed not understanding why she blamed her abortion on him and her turning into a different person and his moving on to the model chick downstairs

KK, the way he wrote it makes it like this

her: I want the baby
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
him: well i'm telling your parents

parents: have an abortion
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
parents: we will cut you off
him: they'll cut you off, and I ain't taking care of shit

She is pressured into the abortion.

6 months later
him: stop being a crazy bitch
her: I just want to know what's going on
him: fuck you are so unreasonable, bitch I'm through

That's how it reads. The worst part is where he says she is the unreasonable one. The person who had the abortion because of having a lack of support from her bf and the threat of being cut off from her parents. Yeah, she is unreasonable. But hey man, we all go through bumps in our lives and sometimes you just need to let the girl go.

.........

 

Originally Posted by Phi

and confirmed. your vocabulary on this forum is pure comedy.

good to know u r still alive, tubby.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

KK, the way he wrote it makes it like this

her: I want the baby
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
him: well i'm telling your parents

parents: have an abortion
him: have an abortion
her: I want the baby
parents: we will cut you off
him: they'll cut you off, and I ain't taking care of shit

She is pressured into the abortion.

6 months later
him: stop being a crazy bitch
her: I just want to know what's going on
him: fuck you are so unreasonable, bitch I'm through

That's how it reads. The worst part is where he says she is the unreasonable one. The person who had the abortion because of having a lack of support from her bf and the threat of being cut off from her parents. Yeah, she is unreasonable. But hey man, we all go through bumps in our lives and sometimes you just need to let the girl go.

.........

yeah youre right bro, I just said fuck you a bunch of times and then broke up with her. thats totally how it went.

Okay here is a rewrite since most of OT is predisposed to finding reason to bash and ridicule people, especially me.

- we have sex regularly
- she is taking birth control
- she tells me her period is 2 days late
- we do a bunch of research to find out the soonest possible time to take a home pregnancy test, we are both scared shitless
- research says about 7 day minimum so we wait both on edge the whole time
- day seven rolls around and we go but one together
- we go back to her house and she takes it
- it comes up positive
- we both just sit there for a while in disbelief
- her parents have been on vacation and are coming back later that afternoon
- we talk about the options
- my stance
-we are both in college i am about to start my junior year
- she is about to start to sophomore year
- i have 2 years of financial aid bills that will go in effect withing six months of leaving school an will have to star paying them off immediately if I leave
- she is enrolled at Chapel Hill the ivy league of public schools
- we both have a bright future together
- research says that at this point the zygote is a fraction of the size of a ballpoint pen, not much larger than what is inside you than at the point at which you take plan B which she had taken once before before she got on birth control
- I say lets get the pill abortion, it is no different than plan B
- she says she doesnt want to take it
- I tell her we have such a bright future we should plan to have a baby when we are ready and have graduated and get get jobs which can support a child
- we research the options and the statistics are stacked up against us
- she researches a bunch on non medical religious anti- abortion website which show a bunch of pictures of almost fully developed fetuses which are a false representation of reality
- she says after looking at those pictures there is no way she can do that
- we go back and forth for hours
- I tell her we should wait for her parents to get home and tell them
- she agrees
- we go back and forth for hours debating
- she runs up stairs crying and says she needs to be alone
- at that exact time her parents come home
- her mom comes in first, cheery as usual and asks where her daughter is
- I tell her she's up stairs, ill go get her
- her eyes are red still tearing up
- her mom freaks out and think I had hit her or something and immediately separates us
- I tell her the news and she breaks down too
- her dad then comes into the house
- he them crying and demands to know whats going on
- I then tell him the news as well
- he looks at me in disgust
- she is daddys little girl and he give me the look as if I just destroyed their perfect family
- we all sit down and talk about things for hours
- I tell them that in such an early stage it is not a bad idea to get the pill abortion
- they agree
- i say how if this conversation we happen 3 or four year from now it would be a different story
- my gf says she doesnt care she will absolutely not get an abortion
- her mom is a couples councilor and tells us a bunch of horror stories and that she has the same position s me
- her parents tell her that she is a grown woman and can make her own decision but if that is her choice than she will have to handle it on her own
- she will have to leave school and start preparing to finance this new life
-my gf agrees to get the abortion
- a few days later she changes her mind and goes back to saying she wont do it
- i am an emotional wreck and want to get this taken care of while it is still extremely early
- for the next few days she goes back and forth on her decision
- I try my best to console her but still and firm on my opinion
- I tell her regardless of her decision I will be here but I dont want to go through with it
- she comes to a final decision to get the pill abortion
- we go together and she gets the pill
- we go to couples counselling to try to help cope with the decison
- meanwhile I am doing an internship and taking online classes
- this whole period is extremely stressful
- at the end of the summer we will be out of charlotte and back in school doing this long distance
- we try to make the best of the summer
- she is extremely upset and I console her everyday
- she says she realizes it was the best decision
- things are fine for a while until about two months out
- she says she thinks about the abortion everyday
- I try to do my best to make sure she is happy and can ge through the grieving process
- nothing I say can seem to help her get over it
- i suggest more counselling and she refuses
- more time goes by and every time we talk the abortion comes up
- when we visit each other she cries in my arms for at least an hour
- i still try to do my best and again suggest counselling
- more time passes things get easier over time
- we have a fight about something stupid when she is up visiting me and she pours out on me saying she cant get over the abortion, she never will, she cant look at me the same, how could a man do this, I am no longer the man she thought I was
- more time passes and things settle
- summer is almost here, the time when we go back to charlotte and spend time together
- I will be going into my senior year after this summer and have to consider getting a job out of school
- over the past 3 years I had 2 D+ grades on my transcript that I am concerned about given then competition and pressure to find a job
- I tell her I want to go back to boone for the summer to retake those two courses
- i tell her it will only be for the first couple weeks of summer than I can come back
- she does not approve and begins making a bunch of claims against me; " i am trying to avoid her, i wont do any better by retaking these course since I didnt do well the first time, I am probably going up there for another girl etc'
- I tell her she is completely wrong I just want to do something good for myself
- I am in a rough place after the recent passing of my uncle
- I go back to boone to retake those classes but have come back a couple weeks after summer has started and all summer jobs are already taken
- i look everyday inbetween classes applying to 10+ jobs a day
- she says i am not trying hard enough and that i am being lazy
- she bashes me everyday for not finding a job and says she doesnt have faith in me anymore
- I try to explain how bad the job market in boone is, its a town that is bankrupt and jobs normally set aside for college students we are also competeting for with grown adults with better availability
- she doesnt buy it
- I am extremely unhappy and everyday she is more and more unsupportive
- I cant handle the added pressure of trying to focus and classes and trying to find a job while being bashed and unsupported by the person who is supposed to be there for me during the rough times
- we fight everyday on the phone and it is miserable
- I tell her i am unhappy, I cant focus in school and need some time to handle myself
- we break up
- weeks go by and I find out she is hanging out with her ex
- I start hanging out with the girls below me in my spare time
- a few weeks go by and I have a drunken night of sex with this girl
- a week later i talk to my now ex gf and we discuss what we have been up to while we have been apart
- she tells me she hooked up with her ex I tell her I had sex with this girl down stairs
- we are both hurt by the idea of each other hooking up with other people
- about a week later we are back together
- things seem alright
- by this time I have found a good job working at a fine dining restaurant and am making good money
- the summer is almost over and we are trying to get back on track
- I go to help her move into her new place
- one night we are haning out at a buddy of mine's place and her sister calls her
- her phone is about to die and sk if she can use mine
- i say okay and she goes off in the other room
- she is gone for a long time so I go to check on her
- she was going through my phone
- she says she found texts from that other girl and freaks out
- I tell her that I have not been hanging out with her which I havent, i tried to tell that girl that we basically cant be friends anymore because I am back with my gf
- this girl texts me ever so often mad that she basically lost a friend and is hurt
- I met her in person one time just to explain to her how it isnt right for me to hang out with her anymore given the circumstances
- my gf doesnt care and she doesnt believe what I tell her
- she thinks that I am still seeing her and probably hooking up with her
- i try to tell her its all in her head, that girl doesnt mean anything to me, I just want to be with you
- she is fine for a while
- a few days go by and she calls me up and says she wants to break up because she has tried to get over the idea of me being with another girl and it is too hard for her
- here we are about a month later still broken up

 

Originally Posted by FistFights

Okay here is a rewrite since most of OT is predisposed to finding reason to bash and ridicule people, especially me.

- we have sex regularly
- she is taking birth control
- she tells me her period is 2 days late
- we do a bunch of research to find out the soonest possible time to take a home pregnancy test, we are both scared shitless
- research says about 7 day minimum so we wait both on edge the whole time
- day seven rolls around and we go but one together
- we go back to her house and she takes it
- it comes up positive
- we both just sit there for a while in disbelief
- her parents have been on vacation and are coming back later that afternoon
- we talk about the options
- my stance
-we are both in college i am about to start my junior year
- she is about to start to sophomore year
- i have 2 years of financial aid bills that will go in effect withing six months of leaving school an will have to star paying them off immediately if I leave
- she is enrolled at Chapel Hill the ivy league of public schools
- we both have a bright future together
- research says that at this point the zygote is a fraction of the size of a ballpoint pen, not much larger than what is inside you than at the point at which you take plan B which she had taken once before before she got on birth control
- I say lets get the pill abortion, it is no different than plan B
- she says she doesnt want to take it
- I tell her we have such a bright future we should plan to have a baby when we are ready and have graduated and get get jobs which can support a child
- we research the options and the statistics are stacked up against us
- she researches a bunch on non medical religious anti- abortion website which show a bunch of pictures of almost fully developed fetuses which are a false representation of reality
- she says after looking at those pictures there is no way she can do that
- we go back and forth for hours
- I tell her we should wait for her parents to get home and tell them
- she agrees
- we go back and forth for hours debating
- she runs up stairs crying and says she needs to be alone
- at that exact time her parents come home
- her mom comes in first, cheery as usual and asks where her daughter is
- I tell her she's up stairs, ill go get her
- her eyes are red still tearing up
- her mom freaks out and think I had hit her or something and immediately separates us
- I tell her the news and she breaks down too
- her dad then comes into the house
- he them crying and demands to know whats going on
- I then tell him the news as well
- he looks at me in disgust
- she is daddys little girl and he give me the look as if I just destroyed their perfect family
- we all sit down and talk about things for hours
- I tell them that in such an early stage it is not a bad idea to get the pill abortion
- they agree
- i say how if this conversation we happen 3 or four year from now it would be a different story
- my gf says she doesnt care she will absolutely not get an abortion
- her mom is a couples councilor and tells us a bunch of horror stories and that she has the same position s me
- her parents tell her that she is a grown woman and can make her own decision but if that is her choice than she will have to handle it on her own
- she will have to leave school and start preparing to finance this new life
-my gf agrees to get the abortion
- a few days later she changes her mind and goes back to saying she wont do it
- i am an emotional wreck and want to get this taken care of while it is still extremely early
- for the next few days she goes back and forth on her decision
- I try my best to console her but still and firm on my opinion
- I tell her regardless of her decision I will be here but I dont want to go through with it
- she comes to a final decision to get the pill abortion
- we go together and she gets the pill
- we go to couples counselling to try to help cope with the decison
- meanwhile I am doing an internship and taking online classes
- this whole period is extremely stressful
- at the end of the summer we will be out of charlotte and back in school doing this long distance
- we try to make the best of the summer
- she is extremely upset and I console her everyday
- she says she realizes it was the best decision
- things are fine for a while until about two months out
- she says she thinks about the abortion everyday
- I try to do my best to make sure she is happy and can ge through the grieving process
- nothing I say can seem to help her get over it
- i suggest more counselling and she refuses
- more time goes by and every time we talk the abortion comes up
- when we visit each other she cries in my arms for at least an hour
- i still try to do my best and again suggest counselling
- more time passes things get easier over time
- we have a fight about something stupid when she is up visiting me and she pours out on me saying she cant get over the abortion, she never will, she cant look at me the same, how could a man do this, I am no longer the man she thought I was
- more time passes and things settle
- summer is almost here, the time when we go back to charlotte and spend time together
- I will be going into my senior year after this summer and have to consider getting a job out of school
- over the past 3 years I had 2 D+ grades on my transcript that I am concerned about given then competition and pressure to find a job
- I tell her I want to go back to boone for the summer to retake those two courses
- i tell her it will only be for the first couple weeks of summer than I can come back
- she does not approve and begins making a bunch of claims against me; " i am trying to avoid her, i wont do any better by retaking these course since I didnt do well the first time, I am probably going up there for another girl etc'
- I tell her she is completely wrong I just want to do something good for myself
- I am in a rough place after the recent passing of my uncle
- I go back to boone to retake those classes but have come back a couple weeks after summer has started and all summer jobs are already taken
- i look everyday inbetween classes applying to 10+ jobs a day
- she says i am not trying hard enough and that i am being lazy
- she bashes me everyday for not finding a job and says she doesnt have faith in me anymore
- I try to explain how bad the job market in boone is, its a town that is bankrupt and jobs normally set aside for college students we are also competeting for with grown adults with better availability
- she doesnt buy it
- I am extremely unhappy and everyday she is more and more unsupportive
- I cant handle the added pressure of trying to focus and classes and trying to find a job while being bashed and unsupported by the person who is supposed to be there for me during the rough times
- we fight everyday on the phone and it is miserable
- I tell her i am unhappy, I cant focus in school and need some time to handle myself
- we break up
- weeks go by and I find out she is hanging out with her ex
- I start hanging out with the girls below me in my spare time
- a few weeks go by and I have a drunken night of sex with this girl
- a week later i talk to my now ex gf and we discuss what we have been up to while we have been apart
- she tells me she hooked up with her ex I tell her I had sex with this girl down stairs
- we are both hurt by the idea of each other hooking up with other people
- about a week later we are back together
- things seem alright
- by this time I have found a good job working at a fine dining restaurant and am making good money
- the summer is almost over and we are trying to get back on track
- I go to help her move into her new place
- one night we are haning out at a buddy of mine's place and her sister calls her
- her phone is about to die and sk if she can use mine
- i say okay and she goes off in the other room
- she is gone for a long time so I go to check on her
- she was going through my phone
- she says she found texts from that other girl and freaks out
- I tell her that I have not been hanging out with her which I havent, i tried to tell that girl that we basically cant be friends anymore because I am back with my gf
- this girl texts me ever so often mad that she basically lost a friend and is hurt
- I met her in person one time just to explain to her how it isnt right for me to hang out with her anymore given the circumstances
- my gf doesnt care and she doesnt believe what I tell her
- she thinks that I am still seeing her and probably hooking up with her
- i try to tell her its all in her head, that girl doesnt mean anything to me, I just want to be with you
- she is fine for a while
- a few days go by and she calls me up and says she wants to break up because she has tried to get over the idea of me being with another girl and it is too hard for her
- here we are about a month later still broken up

holy fuck man... just give it up, youre just digging in deeper...

tough situation ff. sounds like she fell out of love with you. it happens, esp with women. but nothing is permanent with a woman. imo the best thing you could do is what you did. staying together while she resents you is only going to make things much much worse. staying with her would of killed any chance of a future you two had together.(that sounds wierd lol) Better to end it before you really start hating each other. once both of you get over it and move on with your lives, there may be hope of reconcilliation(sp?) in the future. but you need to make sure you both are completley over each other before you try again. hope that helps. gl to you. while some of what you typed seems really insensitive, i dont think u acted like a douche. staying with someone who resents you never works. ive tried.

HER PARENTS ARE THE DOUCHES IN THIS SITUATION. who threatens to cut off their own daughter when she needs them most ffs.

Ya lol her parents are pieces of shit for real. true story. Her moms probly a slut that gets pregnant by randoms dudes all year long and aborts like Obama kills freedom

 

Originally Posted by FistFights

A bad relationship is a bad relationship and the short term effect of getting over the initial separation is well worth the long term payoff. When you find the right person you won't have to try nearly as hard to make things work and neither of you will be questioning whether its actually worth sacrificing when the rough times do arise. I was with my girl for 2 years and for the first year there was no fighting, things were going great and we spent a lot of time together. About once that year mark hit things started slowly going down hill. The summer before last she missed her period, we took the test and it came back positive. It had only been a week after missing her period so obviously I was like lets go get the pill abortion. i assumed she would have the same idea but she didn't. We had taken plan B once before when she hadn't gone on the pill yet and at the 1 week mark taking the pill abortion its essentially the same thing as plan B.

So she starts saying she wants to keep it and that we can make it work. I tried talking her out of it and she kept refusing. Saying things like, I can't believe you would even consider that, how do you consider yourself a man etc. Obviously we had talked about abortion in the past but kind of skirted around the issue so no one really knew where the other person stood. Well I have been an atheist since about age 14 and don't believe that in such an early stage it is considered killing a baby. She has always said she wasn't sure what she believed in and so I figured with time she would pretty much drop religion. She started excusing religion etc. and I basically freaked out and had to tell her parents myself as a last resort. Its no easy task sitting down, looking your gf's mom and dad in the face and explaining to them how you got their little girl pregnant. They told her that she can have the baby if she wants but they would stop paying for college if that was her decision, so she got the abortion. They ended up respecting me a lot more for having the balls to come to them.

Once the pregnancy came up she became a completely different person and I saw a side of her I had never seen before. For months after the abortion she still held a grudge against me for my decision. She basically couldnt let it go or get over it and blamed me for the abortion saying how could you make me do that etc. Eventually summer rolled around ( this past summer) I decided to stay in Boone instead of go back to Charlotte like i usually do, because I wanted to retake two classes and she flipped out. She said I was avoiding her, I wasnt going to do anything for my GPA by retaking these classes and she questioned whether the reason I decided to stay was for another girl. I broke up with her so I could focus on school and she was being a crazy bitch. I ended up sleeping with that girl who lived below me in the meantime and then we got back together about a month later. When she found out I had sex with someone else she broke up with me b/c she said she couldnt get over the idea of me sleeping with someone else. Ive been single for about a month now and am still trying to figure out how to be single again. I have had sex with one girl during a one night stand about 2 weeks ago and am working on sleeping with the girl I lost my virginity to in HS. She has already said in so many words she wants to do round two so once her sorority recruitment ends, I dont have work or a test the next day im going to shmang it.

Long story short if a relationship has too many bumps and yall are working too hard to get through them it might be time to walk away and acknowledge its for the best.

Sounds like other people besides her made the "choice", which is part of why I have a problem with abortion. She was basically coerced and this happens every.single.day. So much for a woman's right to choose.

**You seem like an ok guy, FistFights, so this is not directed specifically at you, nor do I mean to sound judgmental. I've just heard so many stories like this, and have known of situations like this personally. Many women experience horrible emotional and mental consequences because they were put in this position when they really wanted to keep their baby. It's just sad to me :(

**Also, I think her parents are the absolute WORST in this situation. You two were both young, so I honestly feel bad for you being in that situation and can imagine it was scary and stressful, but to basically manipulate your daughter into having an abortion is just wrong. Of course she was going to go through with it if they were cutting off her college funding. They sound pretty horrible.

I saw this exact situation quite a bit when I worked as a Maternity Care Coordinator at my local health department for my college internship. Girl tells me she wants to keep her baby, I hook her up with services, her mom calls me a few days later to tell me she's making her get an abortion. It seriously screws with women's heads for this to happen to them.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

Sounds like other people besides her made the "choice", which is part of why I have a problem with abortion. She was basically coerced and this happens every.single.day. So much for a woman's right to choose.

She had a right to choose. The choice of a baby or money from her parents. Gold diggas gonna gold dig

 

Originally Posted by Believer82

Ya lol her parents are pieces of shit for real. true story. Her moms probly a slut that gets pregnant by randoms dudes all year long and aborts like Obama kills freedom

Yes, b/c Obama single handedly passed UIGEA and forced the DoJs hand... On top of that Obama spent your profits... You and this ass clown FF are both pathetic.