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Brooklyn 99 Cent Store Owner Loses his Business for Carrying a Plastic Toy Gun

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  1. kellykip kellykip is offline The Chosen One

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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 3:57pm)

    The owner of a Brooklyn 99 Cent store has been given $30,000 in fines for carrying Cowboy play sets that include a plastic toy gun. Fine is $5,000 each toy, 6 on the shelf = $30,000. Obviously cannot pay this, so is being forced to close.

    Guns have a big orange plastic tip on them and could never be mistaken for real - they are in the set, along with a mask, toy badge, and little plastic cuffs:

    NYC has a regulation making it illegal to sell 'real looking' toy guns so cops don't confuse them with the real thing and shoot someone.

    Photo of toy packet with gun in link: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...Hyvth4maEHXrpM
    Edited By: kellykip Jan 17th, 2012 at 03:58 PM
  2. DBo Fo Sho DBo Fo Sho is offline Taking advantage of Official Threads

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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:00pm) in reply to kellykip

    Is there an official scorer person who gets to determine if the gun looks real enough to be deemed illegal?

    oh and in before the owners race is mentioned
  3. deadeyehank deadeyehank is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:03pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

    so you can sell real guns, but not toy ones?

    wait, just seen he is a muslim type dude...

    nothing to see here
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:03pm) in reply to deadeyehank

    Looks like some new loft space is opening up....
  5. kellykip kellykip is offline The Chosen One

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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:09pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

     
    Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho View Post

    Is there an official scorer person who gets to determine if the gun looks real enough to be deemed illegal?

    oh and in before the owners race is mentioned

    Yeah consumer affairs has inspectors that go around looking for things to write up - usually when a toy gun has a brightly colored piece on it, they deem it kosher to sell.

    EDIT: I shoulda used 'Stocking' in the title instead of 'Carrying' - makes it sound like he was in the streets pointing it at people - Mods feel free to fix title
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:11pm) in reply to kellykip

     
    Originally Posted by kellykip View Post

    Yeah consumer affairs has inspectors that go around looking for things to write up - usually when a toy gun has a brightly colored piece on it, they deem it kosher to sell.

    EDIT: I shoulda used 'Stocking' in the title instead of 'Carrying' - makes it sound like he was in the streets pointing it at people - Mods feel free to fix title

    Damn, that'd be a pretty awesome position to have and go around and strong arm people and accept bribes like they show in the movies.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:17pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

     
    Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho View Post

    Damn, that'd be a pretty awesome position to have and go around and strong arm people and accept bribes like they show in the movies.

    Between this stuff and the Letter grade system restaurants have to post in their windows after inspections, NYC has brought the old neighborhood extortion racket into the 21st Century.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:30pm) in reply to kellykip

    Land of the free baby.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 4:57pm) in reply to playwithfire05

    Its not like it was the stores first warning. They warned a manager once and he did nothing and informed no one. It sucks but if its the law and they had a warning, then I see no problem unfortunately. :-x
     
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 5:07pm) in reply to Drinking Buddy

     
    Originally Posted by Drinking Buddy View Post

    Its not like it was the stores first warning. They warned a manager once and he did nothing and informed no one. It sucks but if its the law and they had a warning, then I see no problem unfortunately. :-x

    There is a problem when we have crazy zero tolerance laws in place that punish individuals and businesses for asinine reasons.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 5:12pm) in reply to cmval

    Why can't he obv pay a $30k fine?
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 5:49pm) in reply to Mr Galt

     
    Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post

    Why can't he obv pay a $30k fine?

    Obviously he shipped his Al Qaeda payments off already.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:03pm) in reply to ggwscout

    See ya!

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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:12pm) in reply to vote4arealclown

    looks like they were told to stop carrying them, then missed a court date about it...hence the fines.

    Regardless, it is silly that the "case" was even taken to that level. Only in America!
     
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:16pm) in reply to killingbird

    Thankfully he didn't change the color of the tip and hijack an El Al flight. I'd rather read this story, could have been much worse
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:23pm) in reply to killingbird

     
    Originally Posted by killingbird View Post

    looks like they were told to stop carrying them, then missed a court date about it...hence the fines.

    Regardless, it is silly that the "case" was even taken to that level. Only in America!

    Was going to be my question if they had failed a previous inspection where those guns were deemed unacceptable. It may be dumb that it's a toy store selling fake "toy" guns. But the business get's what they deserve when they disregard the laws that are put in place. And tbh this law doesn't seem like a terrible thing.
     
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:28pm) in reply to kellykip

    where's dyzalot when we need him?
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:33pm) in reply to zeppelinzoso16

     
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    Thankfully he didn't change the color of the tip and hijack an El Al flight. I'd rather read this story, could have been much worse


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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:52pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    looks like he should have settled for the the reduced 5400 fine, instead of taking it all the way.

    BTW there is nothing wrong with law. I remember when it came out it it was roundly supported by consumers in the wake of children being shot.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 6:58pm) in reply to rayspizza

    ...which is why that started making toy guns with giant orange tips tho
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:01pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    Why don't they just make the whole gun orange? Won't be realistic enough? Hmm..
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:08pm) in reply to LeftyMark

    We should also ban black paint lest someone get an idea.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:08pm) in reply to Mr Galt

    next thing you know they will be trying to outlaw guns that look like toys and then only the criminals will have guns that look like toys.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:16pm) in reply to rayspizza

     
    Originally Posted by rayspizza View Post

    next thing you know they will be trying to outlaw guns that look like toys and then only the criminals will have guns that look like toys.

    I know if I was a cop and saw an adult with a gun that looked like a toy I wouldnt be the least bit worried or even look into it. Adults are always running around with toy guns and stuff so its not a big deal.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:23pm) in reply to cmval

    I avoid pointing toy guns at police. seems to do the trick
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:25pm) in reply to cmval

     
    Originally Posted by cmval View Post

    I know if I was a cop and saw an adult with a gun that looked like a toy I wouldnt be the least bit worried or even look into it. Adults are always running around with toy guns and stuff so its not a big deal.

    Now we are getting somewhere. Cops should always just look the other way in these situations. Like if someone is getting held up, the cops should just drive by and let the free market handle it.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 7:48pm) in reply to rayspizza

    <3 this thread.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 8:02pm) in reply to rayspizza

    a transaction at gunpoint is not an example of a free market but can be a good example of the market we have

    just sayin
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 8:15pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    That’s right I forgot. Because there has never been a good example of the free market except for the internet and the US economy pre 1918 and there is no evidence that a free market would ever be corrupted by those seeking to retain power and Fortune except for the internet and the US Economy post 1918.
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    Jan 17th, 2012 (1/17/2012 8:31pm) in reply to rayspizza

    How is this still the best country ffs? The world is fucked.
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