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## Carrying a gun can prevent deaths

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1. a hearty LOL at zep's graph. the level of stupid you anti-gun people would like to ascribe to americans is just sad.
Edited By: Hank H1LL Aug 24th, 2012 at 08:17 PM
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##### Originally Posted by (oIo)

How to lie with statistics 101 right here. See how the Y axis goes from 4 to 7? It makes it look like the northeast is really safe and the south is horrible. Is 2.75 more deaths per 100K significant? What if the Y axis went from 0 to 100? 0 to 1000? then they would all look about the same huh?

lying? wtf, the scale is there, you can see it, you can understand what the scale means. why would you ever look at a graph and not look at the scale? what info could you possibly get from a graph if you cover-up the info about the x/y axis?

unreal, I blame the US public school system.
Edited By: EyeKnows Aug 24th, 2012 at 08:18 PM
3. It does seem like a pretty big difference actually. The difference between 4 and 7 homicides by gun death (not what this graph states) is being in Nicaragua or being in the United States. Most of Europe is under 1.

So if they used percentages instead and said the difference is a 50% increase for example would the numbers be irrelevant because 5 and 7.5 are close together on a number line that goes 0 to 100?

How about you are 7x more likely to be murdered with a gun in the Southern US than in Western Europe. Seems the claim made itt was statistically false
Edited By: Zeppelin Aug 24th, 2012 at 08:31 PM
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##### Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

It does seem like a pretty big difference actually. The difference between 4 and 7 homicides by gun death (not what this graph states) is being in Nicaragua or being in the United States. Most of Europe is under 1.

right.

even ignoring the hilarious representation of the y-axis, that graph is talking about plain old assaults. if you want to make any sort of argument you're gonna need stats on actual gun deaths and regional gun ownership rates, and then everyone will tear it apart anyway.
Edited By: Hank H1LL Aug 24th, 2012 at 08:32 PM
5. It has been broken down before and states with less gun restrictions have higher rates of gun deaths...
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##### Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

It has been broken down before and states with less gun restrictions have higher rates of gun deaths...

more guns = more gun-deaths?

noooooooooooo, that is so illogical.
7. why didn't you just post that graph?
8. The one that shows a roughly 50% increase in deadly assaults in the South?
9. lol

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##### Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

lol

too easy

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comp...?ind=113&cat=2
11. that doesn't measure gun assaults either. getting closer though!
12. Obviously there are a lot of people who can carry a gun properly. If everyone did--- it would be overall safer. You would just have to worry about them getting stolen etc. The problem is theres no screening process in the world thats going to weed out all the hot heads and crazys who are going to pull their gun out when their cornflakes get pissed on by a stranger or they cant handle it when they catch their wife screwing around. Theres just too many crazys to pull it off.

13. but you'd like to believe there is legislation that will "weed out all the hot heads and crazys?"

I grew up in a jesusland state with 1.77 firearm murders per 100,000 people (2010). new york managed a 49% higher rate, and california was a full 90% higher.

if you think legislating the problem away is gonna do a damn thing then you're kidding yourself. firearm laws aren't nearly the biggest factor affecting the relative danger from firearms state-to-state.
14. to be fair, i see that Kev is from Burlington Ont, so his biggest fear in life is catchin the cooties from a ballet dancer at Solid Gold
15. lol very true

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##### Originally Posted by EyeKnows

lying? wtf, the scale is there, you can see it, you can understand what the scale means. why would you ever look at a graph and not look at the scale? what info could you possibly get from a graph if you cover-up the info about the x/y axis?

unreal, I blame the US public school system.

I'm hearing jackie chiles' voice when he is giving it to kramer about the balm.
17. lol at trying to use statistics to argue with gun nuts.
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##### Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

lol at trying to argue with gun nuts.

fyp
19. Lol at posting blatantly irrelevant graphs. If that's your statistical argument you might try again
20. About 2 years ago a Walgreens in Omaha was being robbed by 2 guys and one had a sawed off shotgun. Gunowner shot and killed the kid waving it around- he was 17 if I remember correctly.

If guns were illegal here, only criminals would have them. As a convicted felon I'll never be able to own a gun, that being said I've never had a desire to own one either. I do feel strongly tho that people should be allowed to own guns. What do you people think will happen if all guns across the board were suddenly illegal here? Suddenly there just wouldnt be any guns in society anymore?

Found news vid on it, 2 min long

Edited By: Donnie2005.2 Aug 25th, 2012 at 10:37 AM

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##### Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2

About 2 years ago a Walgreens in Omaha was being robbed by 2 guys and one had a sawed off shotgun. Gunowner shot and killed the kid waving it around- he was 17 if I remember correctly.

If guns were illegal here, only criminals would have them. As a convicted felon I'll never be able to own a gun, that being said I've never had a desire to own one either. I do feel strongly tho that people should be allowed to own guns. What do you people think will happen if all guns across the board were suddenly illegal here? Suddenly there just wouldnt be any guns in society anymore?

Found news vid on it, 2 min long

Does not compute
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##### Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Does not compute

He's saying that as a convicted felon he is not allowed to own a gun and he is saying that if owning a gun was illegal then only criminal would own guns.
23. Violent crime in the USA is down for the fifth year straight and gun sales are hitting record levels. The USA has less overall violent crime than most European Countries. Your chances of being violently assaulted or raped are twice as high in the United Kingdom than the USA.
Edited By: ohioschwa Aug 25th, 2012 at 03:32 PM
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##### Originally Posted by Willywoo

He's saying that as a convicted felon he is not allowed to own a gun and he is saying that if owning a gun was illegal then only criminal would own guns.

Still makes zero sense. A crim can get a gun regardless of the law.
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##### Originally Posted by EyeKnows

lying? wtf, the scale is there, you can see it, you can understand what the scale means. why would you ever look at a graph and not look at the scale? what info could you possibly get from a graph if you cover-up the info about the x/y axis?

unreal, I blame the US public school system.

Showing the data like that with the scale from 4 to 7 is VERY misleading. In fact that scale makes the perceived difference between the south and the northeast the greatest.

Now what if I scaled it from 0 to ten?

I believe this a bit more honest presentation of the data.

What if we had somebody try to present the data to convince you they are all about the same?
This graph would be great to show.

It's not lying. All the data is the same! But you can clearly see that depending on your agenda presenting the data in different ways can reinforce your agenda.

Here's a silly graph where if you don't notice the scale, you could think there is a huge problem in every region.

26. huge difference between this one event, and the alternate reality where everyone carried a gun. do you realize how horrible life would be if you knew that everyone around you was carrying a gun?
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##### Originally Posted by downbylaw11

huge difference between this one event, and the alternate reality where everyone carried a gun. do you realize how horrible life would be if you knew that everyone around you was carrying a gun?

lol so scary!!! You obviously have little to no experience with guns.

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##### Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Still makes zero sense. A crim can get a gun regardless of the law.

Yes. That's exactly what he is saying.
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##### Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

lol at trying to use statistics to argue with gun nuts.

##### Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

lol at trying to argue with gun nuts.

##### Originally Posted by ohioschwa

Violent crime in the USA is down for the fifth year straight and gun sales are hitting record levels. The USA has less overall violent crime than most European Countries. Your chances of being violently assaulted or raped are twice as high in the United Kingdom than the USA.

lol at trying argue with anti gun nuts.
30. Everytime I go out my friends have guns on them and you wouldnt know it till it came down to it. I would say that probably over 50% of the population down here carries guns all the time. People dont just go shooting people over stupid shit like you bumped into me. There is a minor inflection of common sense in those situations even with the most uneducated or irrational people that you cant 99% of the time just shoot some one middle of the day and get away with it in public. So that argument that if everyone had a gun people would just lose it all the time is just outrageous for so many reasons.

When that thing happened in CO at Batman, everyone around here was saying that shit would never happen in Fort Myers cause if that dude came in shot once there would be 15 or 20 people standing up pulling guns on him and hed be put down if thats what he wanted. Its like a checks and balance.

Zep the graph you posted is so irrelevant. Thats a graph on injuries not on assaults. And like everyone says the Y axis is a pure joke. Theres so many variables that just can not be measured by a graph or a govt statistical company that goes into coming up with those numbers.
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