Originally Posted by SmokeyCasinos

If I had the cash on hand now to pay a debt, I would.

Guess Ivey is currently broke....

if the casino'd pay him his money he'd be less broke though.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

and i really shouldn't have to explain why this is a horrible analogy

agreed, you don't have to but I'll take an explanation.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

Fuck Phil Ivey he's a selfish prick bitch.

Karma

 

Originally Posted by Camz

Just read up a little on him and the FTP situation...but cliffs:

Owes FTP a lot of money(Rumors up to 9mil) And hasn't paid back as of yet...meanwhile traveling around playing super high roller tourneys and degening millions

Filed a lawsuit against FTP at one of the most fragile times possible in terms of the players being paid back and FTP finding a buyer.

Hasn't made any sort of peep regarding the entire FTP situation which I think is his duty to. FTP and the poker community made him who he is and between The lawsuit and his blatant unwillingness to give any sort of statement regarding this entire fiasco or the money he owes is absurdly selfish and self absorbed.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

This has nothing to do with the lederer files. Be more clueless please

 

Originally Posted by Camz

Wait are you really making the jordan:Nike::ivey:FTP analogy?
.................

You're right. Taking distributions from FTP out of player funds to fund his degen habits and being bought into tourneys worldwide has nothing to do with FTP; just his skill. What about the millions he owes FTP?

 

Originally Posted by Camz

www.subjectpoker.com/2011/07/ivey-benyamine/

 

Originally Posted by Camz

Pretty much yes. And also for not doing more to help out the community which has made him who he is today

 

Originally Posted by Camz

His lawsuit was a joke

 

Originally Posted by Camz

Look the guy is the face of FTP. Easily the most recognizable face in the poker industry. Oh not to mention an original investor and major shareholder of FTP. Is it wrong to expect a comment or interview perhaps? He hasn't made a peep in 18 months and filed a frivelous lawsuit against his own company at one of the worst time possible in terms of the online community gettjng paid back.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

When the guy says "I won't play WSOP because I don't think it's fair that I can play while the players can't" then months later is playing 100k+ tournaments on borrowed money with no intentions of paying back he's a douhe in my book.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

lol i hardly ever post in political threads and i'm surely not a conservative. If anything i've become more moderate while reading OT, but w/e...

Taking a stand for the players and coming out and speaking against the actions of FTP wouldn't have helped him? Sure it would have.

And no. I'm mad at him because for the last few years he has used players' money to degen all over the world and has yet to address it.

Did he know it at the time? No. But he does now. He was by all points using player deposits/funds to supplement his degening all over the world, b/c it sure as heck wasn't FTP profits.

All I'm saying is he owes some sort of statement to the community and he's a douche for not doing it.(and also for the hypocritical bs i posted above)

 

Originally Posted by Camz

let's see. He has played a bunch of super high roller tournaments; and he owes FTP millions, which coincidentally is players' money.

I already posted a link that he owes FTP money; you want his hendon mob link?

 

Originally Posted by Camz

seeing as how he wanted to hide the SP article about the debt he owes you think he would have made it known that his debt was paid back; especially now that PS owns FTP so there's no confusion as to who to pay the debt to..

 

Originally Posted by Camz

why hasn't he paid it back yet continues to play 150k/hand table games and absurd tournaments?

 

Originally Posted by Camz

I couldn't really care less now that PS has fronted the money to pay players back.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

lol?

It was a "loan" from money that FTP didn't have. It is the players' money. Like I said, at the time of course he didn't know(which is up for debate but we'll never know) so it's whatever. After the dust settled, these guys' distributions were coming out of player funds; which FTP couldn't pay back.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

someone asked ivey this year @ wsop "i thought you weren't playing until the players were paid back" and ivey responds with "sorry, i did all i can"...
lol sure you did. clownshoe

whelp

just seems like maybe you could care a lil less after all. just sayin!

don't you care about pstars getting their money back? seems like a shitty attitude for a member of the poker community to have





ok ok I'm done. lol

and i said that my "couldn't care less" was referring to whether or not he actually paid; b/c the players were getting was rightfully theirs.

All of my posts were my responses to ppl wondering why ppl think he's a douche. I'm not gonna just pop in the thread and say "hes a douche" then ignore questions about said statement.

sorry for derail; carry on

 

Originally Posted by acp

I think he meant all of those posts were not a sign of someone who doesn't care, unless from the first post to the "couldn't care less" post is when it was decided PS would pay back all the players.

Nevermind NCJ threw a curve ball

it was actually the first thing you said. Didn't realize he was being payback-specific. but whatevs

@camz: derail better than thread obv. lol

can we please turn this to 'ivey is a bauce' thread

Originally Posted by ActionJeff
I think the other most important thing about Ivey is the man literally has an aura surrounding him. Ask anyone.

It doesn't matter what he does. Kind of like how Patrik Antonius can 4-bet A2o and flop A22 vs. AK. He does ****, and it just works, except on a whole other level. People try to bluff him but never in good spots and they always end up in some ****ed position vs. him facing some ridiculous spot and raise.

I'm probably getting these stories confused cuz one was Mastr in LA and one was JC Alvarado, don't know where so forgive for mixing details. Anyone one of them was at some aggro talkative table. Ivey walks up and everyone just stops talking and looks scared. For the rest of the day, everyone is just staring at Ivey, watching him. He really has an aura, like everyone just watches everything he does and immediately looks away if they come close to making eye contact.

He just plays every hand and tramples people, in between hands he slouches in his chair and texts away, occasionally throwing chips into the pot while texting. Cuz who the **** is gonna break out the rule book on him anyway?

At some point this big black dudes walks up to him and hes carrying a buncha bags and he gives them to Ivey and leaves. Ivey pulls a belt out of one and just puts it on. Keep in mind literally every person at the table is staring at him all the time, and most of the people who aren't in a hand in a close proximity.

He takes his watch off, this $80k watch, opens the bag, and pulls out some lotion. And he puts lotion on his wrist where he was wearing the watch. Slowly applying it while everyone watches transfixed. Then he puts the watch back on, goes back into a bag, and grabs a thing of gummy bears and starts putting them in his mouth. Then he turns his head and looks my friend right in the eye, as though just noticing that everyone in the room is staring at him and never even considering that he was doing an abnormal thing. And he pulls a gummy bear out, holds it up to him, and goes "ya want one?"

Why are you now trying to make Ivey look good?

Ivey knows that the rules don't apply to him. He could probably walk into any poker room in the world with a Cheech and Chong joint lit up and nobody would do shit. Except stare at in jealousy because he's Phil Ivey and they aren't.

What's so interesting about those stories? Sounds like some guys over analyzing somebody they idolize. He ate some gummy bears? Fucking crazy. A black guy put on some lotion? Get the fuck out of here. I kept reading waiting for something interesting to happen and it didn't. Unless a friend buying you a massage and you accepting is somehow mind blowing. he put on a belt? OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!

jesus christ camzzz did ivey pm you to look at your bank account?

180 deg ftw

Why is it an astronomical run? Try flipping a coin a fixed number of times and be + 50. There are roughly 70-75 hands in a full 8 deck shoe of baccarat. So in 7 hours you play 7 shoes max. That's 500 or so decisions. Try to be +50 on 500 coin flips. Then you also factor in commision. So every 150000 bank win he has to pay 7500 to the house. Again its a sick heater if legit.

the mike mcdonald story just sounds kind of gay " oh my god he was so cool" . the massage girl wanted his dick omg