someone asked ivey this year @ wsop "i thought you weren't playing until the players were paid back" and ivey responds with "sorry, i did all i can"...
lol sure you did. clownshoe
Who does he owe 9 mil to now? Pokerstar$? <----avoids a linkEdited By: acp Oct 8th, 2012 at 08:51 PM
Just read up a little on him and the FTP situation...but cliffs:
Owes FTP a lot of money(Rumors up to 9mil) And hasn't paid back as of yet...meanwhile traveling around playing super high roller tourneys and degening millions
Filed a lawsuit against FTP at one of the most fragile times possible in terms of the players being paid back and FTP finding a buyer.
Hasn't made any sort of peep regarding the entire FTP situation which I think is his duty to. FTP and the poker community made him who he is and between The lawsuit and his blatant unwillingness to give any sort of statement regarding this entire fiasco or the money he owes is absurdly selfish and self absorbed.
Wait are you really making the jordan:Nike::ivey:FTP analogy?
You're right. Taking distributions from FTP out of player funds to fund his degen habits and being bought into tourneys worldwide has nothing to do with FTP; just his skill. What about the millions he owes FTP?
Look the guy is the face of FTP. Easily the most recognizable face in the poker industry. Oh not to mention an original investor and major shareholder of FTP. Is it wrong to expect a comment or interview perhaps? He hasn't made a peep in 18 months and filed a frivelous lawsuit against his own company at one of the worst time possible in terms of the online community gettjng paid back.
lol i hardly ever post in political threads and i'm surely not a conservative. If anything i've become more moderate while reading OT, but w/e...
Taking a stand for the players and coming out and speaking against the actions of FTP wouldn't have helped him? Sure it would have.
And no. I'm mad at him because for the last few years he has used players' money to degen all over the world and has yet to address it.
Did he know it at the time? No. But he does now. He was by all points using player deposits/funds to supplement his degening all over the world, b/c it sure as heck wasn't FTP profits.
All I'm saying is he owes some sort of statement to the community and he's a douche for not doing it.(and also for the hypocritical bs i posted above)
It was a "loan" from money that FTP didn't have. It is the players' money. Like I said, at the time of course he didn't know(which is up for debate but we'll never know) so it's whatever. After the dust settled, these guys' distributions were coming out of player funds; which FTP couldn't pay back.
you had a point to that?
just seems like maybe you could care a lil less after all. just sayin!
i said i couldn't care less in regards to his loan being "due" or him paying it back b/c the players are guaranteed their $ now.
don't you care about pstars getting their money back? seems like a shitty attitude for a member of the poker community to have
ok ok I'm done. lol
I think he meant all of those posts were not a sign of someone who doesn't care, unless from the first post to the "couldn't care less" post is when it was decided PS would pay back all the players.Edited By: acp Oct 8th, 2012 at 09:06 PM
Nevermind NCJ threw a curve ball
and i said that my "couldn't care less" was referring to whether or not he actually paid; b/c the players were getting was rightfully theirs.
All of my posts were my responses to ppl wondering why ppl think he's a douche. I'm not gonna just pop in the thread and say "hes a douche" then ignore questions about said statement.
sorry for derail; carry on
@camz: derail better than thread obv. lol
I'm glad you responded I really haven't followed any poker news in a long time, I'm not surprised at all by his actions and I don't think any less of him, but that's because I have no faith in professional gamblers.
can we please turn this to 'ivey is a bauce' thread
weird people are tooling out on ivey.Edited By: EyeKnows Oct 8th, 2012 at 09:20 PM
I think that $9 million ivey owes is like a drop in the bucket iirc about the ridic millions ftp "stole".
and of all the people that took loans from fulltilt ivey is probably the most likely to have the ability to pay his loan(s) back. for example, if the casino pays him his winnings he has the $9 million. I'm guessing he has other liquid resources too.
and like any loanee, he will (should) pay the loan off at his discretion within the bounds of the loan agreement, no reason he shouldn't act in his best interest. but that is between him and the people that hold the loan, don't know why you are so upset about that.
I can't remember the total number fulltilt was short in money, wasn't it many hundreds of millions? the company loaned money out, it was spent on a lotta non-liquid items and no one could come up with money to save the company in that window of opportunity they had to do it (even though that number was really small, so stupid). I doubt ivey and his $9 million loan was the roadblock there.
Originally Posted by ActionJeff
I think the other most important thing about Ivey is the man literally has an aura surrounding him. Ask anyone.
It doesn't matter what he does. Kind of like how Patrik Antonius can 4-bet A2o and flop A22 vs. AK. He does ****, and it just works, except on a whole other level. People try to bluff him but never in good spots and they always end up in some ****ed position vs. him facing some ridiculous spot and raise.
I'm probably getting these stories confused cuz one was Mastr in LA and one was JC Alvarado, don't know where so forgive for mixing details. Anyone one of them was at some aggro talkative table. Ivey walks up and everyone just stops talking and looks scared. For the rest of the day, everyone is just staring at Ivey, watching him. He really has an aura, like everyone just watches everything he does and immediately looks away if they come close to making eye contact.
He just plays every hand and tramples people, in between hands he slouches in his chair and texts away, occasionally throwing chips into the pot while texting. Cuz who the **** is gonna break out the rule book on him anyway?
At some point this big black dudes walks up to him and hes carrying a buncha bags and he gives them to Ivey and leaves. Ivey pulls a belt out of one and just puts it on. Keep in mind literally every person at the table is staring at him all the time, and most of the people who aren't in a hand in a close proximity.
He takes his watch off, this $80k watch, opens the bag, and pulls out some lotion. And he puts lotion on his wrist where he was wearing the watch. Slowly applying it while everyone watches transfixed. Then he puts the watch back on, goes back into a bag, and grabs a thing of gummy bears and starts putting them in his mouth. Then he turns his head and looks my friend right in the eye, as though just noticing that everyone in the room is staring at him and never even considering that he was doing an abnormal thing. And he pulls a gummy bear out, holds it up to him, and goes "ya want one?"
Originally Posted by timex
Played with Ivey 3-4 times, the best stories come from the 3k WSOPE NL event
Ivey was at my starting table, and listening to headphones while everyone was listening to him. I bring sunglasses with me to the table almost every time I play and wore them for the first time to day so I could look at him without him knowing(who am I kidding, of course he knows). Anyways, any time he takes out a headphone, before he can put it back in people are spamming him with questions, I looked like a fanboy by asking whether these events count for his wsop event, he responded "for some of them" and put his headphone back in.
This happened several time, someone asks a question, gets owned, but no one ever seemed to learn so one guy (yuve04 online) tried making a comment.
After Ivey took off his headphone hes like
"hey Phil, nice job in that cash game last night, how'd you finish"
"nice, Durrr was playing real bad huh?"
*does the Phil Ivey face*
"that Tom Dwan, was playing real spewy and bad huh?"
"nah, he was playing well"
*puts headphone back in*
And later some super hot masseuse comes by, says like "hey" he doesn't acknowledge her, she taps him on the shoulder, he slowly takes off one headphone and looks up at her very angrily. Shes giggling(clearly nervous around ivey when 99% of the room would be nervous around her) and says "your friend said you might want a massage" (John Juanda had bought him a massage). He thinks it over for a second unsure whether to except a free massage from this 9.5/10, and says
"sure, just don't touch my head or neck.... and I'm hungry, mind getting me like a sandwich"
*interupting* "and make sure theres no mayo, I hate mayo"
As she gets back, there is a dispute as to whether there is mayo and he grudgingly accepts
Also, when he busted he value-shoved the river with JT on KQ955 and got called by 55 and didn't expose his hand when every single poker player would expose to show how bad of a beat the took
Why are you now trying to make Ivey look good?
What's so interesting about those stories? Sounds like some guys over analyzing somebody they idolize. He ate some gummy bears? Fucking crazy. A black guy put on some lotion? Get the fuck out of here. I kept reading waiting for something interesting to happen and it didn't. Unless a friend buying you a massage and you accepting is somehow mind blowing. he put on a belt? OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!Edited By: XXEDPXX Oct 8th, 2012 at 09:40 PM
What's so interesting about those stories? Sounds like some guys over analyzing somebody they idolize. He ate some gummy bears? Fucking crazy. A black guy put on some lotion? Get the fuck out of here. I kept reading waiting for something interesting to happen and it didn't. Unless a friend buying you a massage and you accepting is somehow mind blowing. he put on a belt? OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!
jesus christ camzzz did ivey pm you to look at your bank account?Edited By: SmokeyCasinos Oct 9th, 2012 at 12:36 AM
180 deg ftw
Why is it an astronomical run? Try flipping a coin a fixed number of times and be + 50. There are roughly 70-75 hands in a full 8 deck shoe of baccarat. So in 7 hours you play 7 shoes max. That's 500 or so decisions. Try to be +50 on 500 coin flips. Then you also factor in commision. So every 150000 bank win he has to pay 7500 to the house. Again its a sick heater if legit.Edited By: AFink93 Oct 9th, 2012 at 02:53 AM