How does Chauncey get in the HOF or is he already there.

Here are my 3 scenarios.

1. He is already in after this year w/o playing another game even if he does not win title, he has a few rings and this year has clearly proven how valuable he is.

2. He wins at least one more title before he retires. Whether it be this year or in a couple years.

3. He plays 3 or 4 more years w/o winning another title but puts up quality stats.

He is in obv. if he hits another title, but i think he is in even in scenario 3. Putting in a few more productive years w/ some playoff runs.

THe guy is clearly a huge difference maker. he may not wow you with stats but this year he has proven to be one of the top 10 difference makers in the league. IF not top 5.

If this has already been discussed, sorry. I have attached his stats to look at.

Move everything over 1 on these stats

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Not much of a discussion IMO, he is in

I'm not huge in basketball but stats have to play somewhere, and these look sub par at best. It's the Hall of fame, not dude who had a decent ppg average when his 3 was on.

 

Originally Posted by dank773

No, not even close

15 ppg, 5.6 apg, 2.9 rpg

1 top 5 mvp voting

0 first team all NBA

0 first team all defensive

Its pretty close, but no. Guy was pretty mehh first 6 years as a pro, no one heard of him until detroit...hes a winner, awful career #s when talking about hof. He's had a great run thats for sure (and might not be over).

Billups

15 ppg, 5.6 apg, 2.9 rpg, 837 games

Sam Cassell

15.7 ppg, 6 apg, 3.2 rpg, 993 games

 

Originally Posted by dank773

Billups

15 ppg, 5.6 apg, 2.9 rpg, 837 games

Sam Cassell

15.7 ppg, 6 apg, 3.2 rpg, 993 games

and don't forget,

sam cassell: three championships

first thing that came to mind: "lol no"

 

Originally Posted by gillabong

Its pretty close, but no. Guy was pretty mehh first 6 years as a pro, no one heard of him until detroit...hes a winner, awful career #s when talking about hof. He's had a great run thats for sure (and might not be over).

how about the hall of pretty well known then?

His final years in Denver will be the deciding factor. He's very close right now, as of today, I'd say no.

If Chauncey leads this Denver team to a title, I think he belongs in the HOF. His intangibles are just off the charts.

The effect he's had on this Nuggets team is underrated. I know he had MVP chatter, but still...the impact he's had on this particular Nuggets team is nothing short of incredible.

I remember watching a Nuggets game against Golden State. The entire Golden State bench was up on their feet, totally into the game. Meanwhile, Kenyon Martin throws down a HUGE dunk. Exactly ONE player from Denver's bench jumps to his feet pumped up about it.

Fast forward to now, and look how far this Nuggets team has come. They're rebounding, defending, knowing their roles and playing total TEAM basketball. They've won 16 straight at home, and look at their bench now. They're into the games, their minds in the right place and all they care about is winning. It's a credit to Chauncey Billups.

George Karl couldn't get this team to support one another and play together cohesively; enter Chauncey, and the team turned it around. To see these guys reach their potential is great, and it would not have happened without Billups. If you listen to his interviews about his role on the team and what he brings to Denver, it gives you a great respect for him. When you listen to guys like Melo praise his presence, you realize that he's the glue that makes Denver play well as a cohesive team.

Is he HOF? Right now, I'm not sure. You can't put him in based on numbers; it would be an argument entirely on team success and his proven intangibles. If he wins a championship this year with this Nuggets team, he is a surefire lock to me.

He still has a few years to accomplish more but as of now I would say no. When he becomes eligible for the hall voters wont remember the intangibles as much and his stats just arent there. Actually the more I think about the question its a definite no. BTW Cassel was a great player. I've never seen a guard who could play with his back to the basket like a center the way he could. He would always back down guards like a big man and then he'd shoot that little turn around jumper or he would throw a pump fake and get the defender to jump into him. He looks like an alien but he was an extremely productive offensive player throughout his career.

doubt this thread is real

my first thought as well was "lol no"

Its not really even debatable. He just doesnt have the stats. The "intangibles" people keep bringing up just dont weigh that much in terms of the hall. People keep saying if he takes Denver to a title he is definately in but for the most part the hall is about individual stats. Team accomplishments just dont play that big of a role unless the team was part of a dynasty. (90's Bulls, 80's Lakers, 60's Celtics) He is a solid player but he just isnt a HOF. Carmelo is the best player on that team anyway. Billups is the leader but if there is a future hall of famer on that team its Anthony.

There's not much separating Chauncey Billups from Joe Dumars. If Billups wins a title with this Nuggets team, he deserves as much credit as Melo. If you listen to what he and his teammates say about what he means to the team or watch this team before and after Billups' arrival, you'll see the evidence.

If Chauncey can get a second ring, I think he should be in. He was the leader of the great Pistons teams of the decade, and he's the biggest reason that Melo (and the rest of this Denver team) has realized its potential.