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  1. Brunson10 Brunson10 is offline

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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:24pm)

    My uncle and I, at a family bbq, got into a debate over what's harder to master, chess or poker. He's a very strong chess player and I like to fancy myself as a fairly solid poker player (mid stakes winner online). Would love to think what OT thinks.

    *Poker wise when I say master I mean high stakes winner online, comfortable sitting in Bobby's room. Chess wise I would say atleast a 2400+ rating.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:28pm) in reply to Brunson10

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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:31pm) in reply to Papa Fish

     
    Originally Posted by Papa Fish View Post

    chess
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    haha care to elaborate?.........I would say poker due to the fact that there is incomplete information making the puzzle a bit harder to solve.......while chess all the info is in front of you

    *also would be cool to hear from people that play both games well.....I am pretty lol @ chess so probably over looking a bunch of things chess wise
    Edited By: Brunson10 Aug 20th, 2010 at 08:33 PM
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:35pm) in reply to Brunson10

    I would think chess is. Poker is easier to master because most of the time there is a lot of down time ie. folding and you can learn by playing lots of hands at the same time. Chess requires your full concentration in a game because as they say you have to think 2 moves in advance. That's just from my experience.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:35pm) in reply to Defndrofangels

    pretty much zero luck in Chess so i'm going to have to say Chess is the harder game to master.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:38pm) in reply to Defndrofangels

     
    Originally Posted by Defndrofangels View Post

    I would think chess is. Poker is easier to master because most of the time there is a lot of down time ie. folding and you can learn by playing lots of hands at the same time. Chess requires your full concentration in a game because as they say you have to think 2 moves in advance. That's just from my experience.

    I would say poker requires this same skill

     
    Originally Posted by R_U_Nuts View Post

    pretty much zero luck in Chess so i'm going to have to say Chess is the harder game to master.

    yea but if poker is being played with strict br management then the luck factor really plays no part in any of this
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:39pm) in reply to Brunson10

    i think poker is harder since there is the bankroll issue... Chess is free to play and as you get better you can continue to play more and more and keep going. Then with poker you can do the same, but unless you have the bankroll you can never really test yourself against the best in the world (bobbys room), and will continue to play the the stakes you can afford. Also there has to be 20 max pros (not just rich guys) that play regularly in bobbys room, and according to wiki there are 1800 players with 2400 + ratings so?
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:42pm) in reply to joeykukzMSU

    too the big dogs, chess aint free. i've seen a death match before.
     
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:43pm) in reply to Brunson10

    There is zero luck in chess, and zero room for error. I can play a grandmaster 100 games of chess and I am guaranteed to lose them all, and I am about a 1600 ELO rating.

    I can play a HU world champ 100 times heads up at various poker games and probably win at least 10-20 % of them.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:46pm) in reply to Synappzz

    Chess AINEC
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:47pm) in reply to Scha

    Chess and I usually hate when people say this, but it's not even close.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:48pm) in reply to Synappzz

     
    Originally Posted by Synappzz View Post

    There is zero luck in chess, and zero room for error. I can play a grandmaster 100 games of chess and I am guaranteed to lose them all, and I am about a 1600 ELO rating.

    I can play a HU world champ 100 times heads up at various poker games and probably win at least 10-20 % of them.

    Well. There is the some luck... You can make all the right moves by chance... But that's like 0.[add a bunch of zeros here]1% chance. It's not even close to being as easy as hitting a gutshot, or a runner runner flush.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:49pm) in reply to LeftyMark

    Chess and you're retarded for even thinking this is debatable
    Edited By: OneUglyMoFo Aug 20th, 2010 at 08:52 PM
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:50pm) in reply to OneUglyMoFo

    Horseback riding can take a lifetime to master, even for the naturals
    Edited By: jeppg1111 Aug 20th, 2010 at 08:51 PM
     
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:51pm) in reply to LeftyMark

     
    Originally Posted by LeftyMark View Post

    Chess and I usually hate when people say this, but it's not even close.

    so why are there a butt load of chess masters but only few top poker players...........chalk it up to money issues? or is there something else
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:53pm) in reply to Brunson10

     
    Originally Posted by Brunson10 View Post

    so why are there a butt load of chess masters but only few top poker players...........chalk it up to money issues? or is there something else

    Chess players are generally much nerdier than poker players. Nerds have no life, so they sit around studying chess all day. Mystery solved
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:54pm) in reply to LeftyMark

     
    Originally Posted by LeftyMark View Post

    Chess and I usually hate when people say this, but it's not even close.

    this..

    and

    You can only think 3 streets ahead in poker. I'm pretty sure the best chess players in the world can think way past 3 moves ahead.
    Edited By: Moonlight Graham Aug 20th, 2010 at 08:55 PM
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:55pm) in reply to Scha

    lol @ anyone saying poker.

    chess requires so much more skill.

    You could just ride a heater or an insane run of cards to the high stakes life, theres no such thing as a heater or "running good" in chess.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:56pm) in reply to ajedrez

    He's not asking which game has more skill...hes asking which is harder to master and the answer is poker.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:57pm) in reply to LatestLines2





    is this a serious question? cmon... really?
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:58pm) in reply to LatestLines2

    yea but as someone pointed out earlier, sit down and play magnus carlsen or garry kasparov, and you will NEVER win. Ever.

    Sit down with like Phil Ivey etc., and you could quite plausibly win, depending on how well you run.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:58pm) in reply to ajedrez

    Thats the point Ozzie...even the best poker players in the world lose.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:58pm) in reply to ajedrez

     
    Originally Posted by ajedrez View Post

    lol @ anyone saying poker.

    chess requires so much more skill.

    You could just ride a heater or an insane run of cards to the high stakes life, theres no such thing as a heater or "running good" in chess.

    I can dig that.

    But come on with, "you could ride a heater to the high stakes life", sure you could but you'd be broke rather quickly if you're not very good at the game.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:59pm) in reply to LatestLines2

     
    Originally Posted by LatestLines2 View Post

    He's not asking which game has more skill...hes asking which is harder to master and the answer is poker.

    neither can be actually "mastered", so.....
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 8:59pm) in reply to LatestLines2

     
    Originally Posted by LatestLines2 View Post

    He's not asking which game has more skill...hes asking which is harder to master and the answer is poker.

    You're such a donk.

    The only relevant argument I can think of on the "poker" side, is that poker is constantly changing. There is not enough room to be creative in chess that that will happen there.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 9:02pm) in reply to Scha

    I'm losing my mind reading these responses.
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 9:05pm) in reply to Scha

     
    Originally Posted by Scha View Post

    You're such a donk.

    The only relevant argument I can think of on the "poker" side, is that poker is constantly changing. There is not enough room to be creative in chess that that will happen there.

    really? chess has been around longer and has certainly evolved just as much....I'm sure it will continue to change
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 9:11pm) in reply to Brunson10

    chess, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 10:40pm) in reply to Glo4m

    yahtzee
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    Aug 20th, 2010 (8/20/2010 10:46pm) in reply to ScottBrewr99

    poker.

    chess theory has been figured out and doesnt change.

    poker changes ALL the time. you have nothing to adapt with in chess because you should be making the same exact play in the same situations for every single move. you play the same hand in the same situation 10000 different ways in poker.
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