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Lord Supremo
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If they are uninsured or on Medicare/aid or if they're a government employee with a taxpayer funded benefits package, then yes, you do directly pay their bills.Originally Posted by snaggs
yeah I've heard that argument, but I'm not sure I buy it. What costs to you? Do you pay their bills?
wtf are you talking about? The question is if people who don't wear seatbelts harm/impose costs upon anyone, not if people who don't wear seatbelts violate other peoples' Constitutional rights. And if that were the question it wouldn't make any fucking sense.Originally Posted by snaggs
If it's auto insurance premiums you're talking about I don't remember the Right to Cheap Auto Insurance in the Constitution.
More than half of the states (28) require at least some motorcyclists to wear helmets. I wish it were 50, but what can you do.Originally Posted by snaggs
Also for consistency's sake why were helmet laws repealed for motorcycle riders?
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Trigger locks have been mandatory for a while. Every new firearm has to be sold with one.Originally Posted by TheSilentBob
How about a compromise? I'll accept seatbelt laws if you agree to mandatory trigger locks.
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Humor me ...
Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
Once again, I said I'm undecided on the question of whether incestuous marriage should be illegal, although you're not correct that prevention of inheritable diseases is the only argument I've put forth for keeping it banned. Reading comprehension, like thinking, doesn't appear to be your strong suit.
This discussion started because you equated gay marriage with incest. They're clearly not the same, and linking them as you did is offensive. Legality aside, there are strong moral, practical, and biological reasons that relatives should not have that sort of relationship. None of those considerations apply to homosexuality. -
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Edited By: TheWacoKidd Aug 3rd, 2012 at 01:42 AMnot wearing a helmet doesn't make you a potential danger to someone else. not wearing your seatbelt does. hope that helps. my god...Originally Posted by snaggs
Also for consistency's sake why were helmet laws repealed for motorcycle riders?
you need evidence for common sense?Originally Posted by snaggs
show me one instance, a news clipping, a youtube vid anything of a person striking another person (in another vehicle or a bystander, if they're in the same car they chose the situation) This has got to be so rare as to be ridiculous. I agree with the snowball (slippery slope) comment.
if a person is in a car and not wearing a seatbelt, it stands to reason that, during an accident or an incident where the driver must slam on his breaks, they can fly around the car and injure others. holy shit dude, nobody can be this dumb. -
Lord Supremo
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lol, no. If you're too doltish to get it the first time and too lazy to scroll up a few pixels, I'm sure as shit not gonna help you out.Originally Posted by VanceAce
Humor me ...
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I currently have a tv hauling around in the back of my 4 runner, I suppose you think that it should be a violation for it not to be strapped down?Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
not wearing a helmet doesn't make you a potential danger to someone else. not wearing your seatbelt does. hope that helps. my god...
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Lord Supremo
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Can't speak for Waco, but YES. and ffs why wouldn't you strap it down, are you trying to break it?Originally Posted by phish42O
I currently have a tv hauling around in the back of my 4 runner, I suppose you think that it should be a violation for it not to be strapped down?
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sure, why not? the driver is putting passengers at risk of added injury. why wouldn't you strap it down, anyways?Originally Posted by phish42O
I currently have a tv hauling around in the back of my 4 runner, I suppose you think that it should be a violation for it not to be strapped down?
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Originally Posted by El Burro
Trigger locks have been mandatory for a while. Every new firearm has to be sold with one.
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Is thisajoke? Have you not heard the arguments against gay marriage?Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
Once again, I said I'm undecided on the question of whether incestuous marriage should be illegal, although you're not correct that prevention of inheritable diseases is the only argument I've put forth for keeping it banned. Reading comprehension, like thinking, doesn't appear to be your strong suit.
This discussion started because you equated gay marriage with incest. They're clearly not the same, and linking them as you did is offensive. Legality aside, there are strong moral, practical, and biological reasons that relatives should not have that sort of relationship. None of those considerations apply to homosexuality.
Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
no chance this guy is a weapon, amirite? snaggs gonna snaggs
You think the reason we have safety belt laws is bc the person without a seatbelt becomes a weapon that could hurt other passengers?? Looooooool holy shit. -
Figured you'd have nothing. I win.
Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
lol, no. If you're too doltish to get it the first time and too lazy to scroll up a few pixels, I'm sure as shit not gonna help you out.
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Edited By: TheWacoKidd Aug 3rd, 2012 at 01:58 AMI didn't say that's the reason we have them, please show me where I said that, but it's reason enough for me to personally think we should have them, yes.Originally Posted by norcaljeff
Is thisajoke? Have you not heard the arguments against gay marriage?
You think the reason we have safety belt laws is bc the person without a seatbelt becomes a weapon that could hurt other passengers?? Looooooool holy shit.
if that cabbie had passengers, does he possibly injure them? now what if he was wearing a seatbelt?
some of you are just not logical. nothing I can do about that.
huh? it's not about hurting yourself, it's about being a POTENTIAL danger to others.Originally Posted by rebelfd
Did he died?
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No no, i agree. Just thought thatyou said that's why we have them (from reading snagg's response i think)
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Do you believe cigarettes should be illegal?Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
huh? it's not about hurting yourself, it's about being a POTENTIAL danger to others.
I think basically any activity that could potentially harm someone else should be illegal. if it only has potential to harm yourself, then have at it. -
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morals change.
At one point it was almost wholly acceptable to have slaves. Then it wasn't.
Gays are on the agend aright now.maybe plural marriage will be universally accepted one day.
The incest thing gets a little tougher. As a society we've decided if you're of a certain age you can't really decide to have sex with someone over a certain age. plus you have scientific evidence about brother-sister/any close relative sex resulting in genetic problems inthe offspring. Just look at Joffrey -
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The 'weapon' argument is kind of hilarious.
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Lord Supremo
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nopeOriginally Posted by VanceAce
Figured you'd have nothing. I win.
yepOriginally Posted by Lord Supremo
Thinking doesn't seem to be your strong suit
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Lord Supremo
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I have. They aren't strong in any moral, practical, or biological sense that I'm aware of.Originally Posted by norcaljeff
Is thisajoke? Have you not heard the arguments against gay marriage?
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Can anyone else find LS's other argument(s) for outlawing incest?
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TheWacoKidd
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no, but that's a slippery one. just like I don't think alcohol or drugs should be illegal, neither should smoking cigarettes. except for children, nobody is forcing anyone to be around smokers, but that's the parent's choice, and is a bad one, IMO. I think smoking around children should probably be illegal (and in the car I think it is in some states)Originally Posted by tkeat1653
Do you believe cigarettes should be illegal?
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TheWacoKidd
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I guess if you are fucktarded, yeah.Originally Posted by El Burro
The 'weapon' argument is kind of hilarious.
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gee do you actually read the posts you rant about? I'm sorry but if you ride in the car with the guy you made a choice and are not an "innocent" victim. Maybe children who can't make that decision are victims.Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
no chance this guy is a weapon, amirite? snaggs gonna snaggs
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TheWacoKidd
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if you ride in a car with a person that doesn't wear a seatbelt, it's YOUR fault, not the driver's.
can't make this stuff up.
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Lord Supremo
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SO illegal activities according to Waco:Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
I didn't say that's the reason we have them, please show me where I said that, but it's reason enough for me to personally think we should have them, yes.
if that cabbie had passengers, does he possibly injure them? now what if he was wearing a seatbelt?
some of you are just not logical. nothing I can do about that.
huh? it's not about hurting yourself, it's about being a POTENTIAL danger to others.
I think basically any activity that could potentially harm someone else should be illegal. if it only has potential to harm yourself, then have at it.
Mountain Climbing, Crab Fishing, Almost any ocean travel, wilderness hiking, and on and on. Why? Because rescuers have been hurt and killed saving people during these activities. Clearly these activities represent a potential danger to others. -
TheWacoKidd
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life must be very difficult for you.Originally Posted by snaggs
SO illegal activities according to Waco:
Mountain Climbing, Crab Fishing, Almost any ocean travel, wilderness hiking, and on and on. Why? Because rescuers have been hurt and killed saving people during these activities. Clearly these activities represent a potential danger to others. -
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like nobody is forcing you to get in a car with a retard who doesn't wear a seat belt???Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd
no, but that's a slippery one. just like I don't think alcohol or drugs should be illegal, neither should smoking cigarettes. except for children, nobody is forcing anyone to be around smokers, but that's the parent's choice, and is a bad one, IMO. I think smoking around children should probably be illegal (and in the car I think it is in some states)
just like you can drink but not drive drunk, you can smoke, but there should always be regulations like where and what you can do. -
Lord Supremo
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snaggs must just be arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
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