Originally Posted by VanceAce

I probably wouldn't have fired the guy. However, being the CFO of a company, he should know better than to go around trolling an innocent, minimum-wage, food service worker just trying to do her job. Furthermore, he sure as hell should know not to post it on the internet.

The fact that he didn't seem to know/care raises a red flag concerning his decision-making/leadership ability. I can't blame the CEO for letting him go.

I'd have gone with 3 month suspension unpaid and a formal apology to the worker and to the company but it's done now. Sad that athletes get away with public murder a million times worse and get bigger contracts instead of being fired but that's a whole nutha world

 

Originally Posted by orgnalsooners

I'd have gone with 3 month suspension unpaid and a formal apology to the worker and to the company but it's done now. Sad that athletes get away with public murder a million times worse and get bigger contracts instead of being fired but that's a whole nutha world

I think yours is a more fair punishment ... Of course, it's possible he's had previous instances of showing bad judgement that the CEO was taking into consideration.

but the jebusians just wanna help the misguided, is that so bad?

"Judge not that ye be not judged." Yada 3:16

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

I wonder if some of you realize how hypocritical you sound. "Don't judge gay people! That's WRONG!", but then turn around and judge and stereotype the living shit out of Christians.

but that isn't our rule, it's your (God's) rule that gets ignored by the vast majority of Christians.

Christians are all about telling others how to live their lives and it sucks. I don't tell you how to live your life, how about giving me the same respect, leave me the fuck alone with your hypocritical judgments and "help" with my life.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

but that isn't our rule, it's your (God's) rule that gets ignored by the vast majority of Christians.

SOME Christians are all about telling others how to live their lives and it sucks. I don't tell you how to live your life, how about giving me the same respect, leave me the fuck alone with your hypocritical judgments and "help" with my life.

FYP

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

yeah, Christians have gotten such a bad rap about telling others how to live their lives..

Yes, they have. It's a very small percentage that do that. It's just that the vocal ones who do that garner all the attention. If they aren't doing it, you're not going to notice it. How many people notice the abscence of something?

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

Yes, they have. It's a very small percentage that do that. It's just that the vocal ones who do that garner all the attention. If they aren't doing it, you're not going to notice it. How many people notice the abscence of something?

fair enough.

but they're sfloud.

 

Originally Posted by killingbird

I think the problem is Christians like to say "we are not all bad, really" (and of course they are not all bad). But when thousands of their church going friends line up at a fast food joint to promote hate against a segment of society, they don't say anything to them. They put their head in the sand and go about their business. Well guess what, it's your church, so when they do something you disagree with this strongly...tell them. Or find another church. But stop being quiet.

You're on my Facebook. You saw how vocal I was about Amendment One. I'm not sure I've posted anything on my page about this Chick-fil-A situation, but I've definitely commented on other people's posts about it. I don't have ANY problem whatsoever standing up for what I believe in. And trust me, if my church took a stance about this that was contrary to what I believe, I would be out of there so fast (they don't and I go to a HUGE church with about 7 or 8 thousand members across multiple campuses).

I'll tell you a quick story about this. I went to the National Day of Prayer gathering across the street from my office. There was a few dozen people there. When it ended, a guy came up to me and tried to hand me a sign. When I looked at the sign, I saw that it was a Vote "Yes" on Amendment One sign. I handed it right back to him and said "I don't want that. I'm voting 'no'". He tried to tell me that I had to vote for it as a Christian, because the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, but I told him in no uncertain terms why I wasn't voting for it and that he wasn't going to change my mind about it. There were a lot of people standing there and I didn't hesitate to speak my mind. I had so many of those conversations during that whole debate with friends and family. I'm not sure if I persuaded anyone, but I certainly got some people thinking about it.

 

Originally Posted by pistol45

True or False:
[ ] Christianity teaches that homosexual acts are wrong.

This teaching leads to the justification of horrible injustices. Reflect on going to school and being bullied and subject to violence and cruelty so severe it leads to clinical depression, leads you to suicide, or you hide the truth for fear of the consequences, totally undermining your ability to focus and be successful in school. Consider fearing that your family members will disown you if they found a Bible in your bedroom. Imagine people campaigning successfully to get you fired from your job for fear that your faith might corrupt their kids. What would you think if the state and local government continually had ballot measures intended to strip you of your rights to adopt children, to remove your children from your household, and speculated that your faith would lead you to physically, mentally, and sexually abuse your children. Imagine every time one of these things happened, the perpetrator was the National Gay Alliance, and whenever you spoke up about it the majority gay community came to their defense. I have never heard a gay person advocate for any of these things, but can you imagine if they did?

It appears that it could totally go the way that you're saying for Christians. And trust me, I've warned my fellow Christians of the possibility that they may not always be the majority. I posed the exact same scenario that you mentioned to my sister and my parents and asked them and how they would feel if it happened to them.

I'm not disputing or denying that a lot of wrong has been done in the name of Christianity, all I'm asking is that people please keep in mind that not all Christians behave in the ways that people find objectionable. There are many, many of us who aren't trying to take rights away from other people, who treat everyone with respect and dignity and who really don't want to be associated with the ones who give us all a bad name. It's just frustrating that no matter how much good the majority of Christians do in this world and in our communities, people always lump us in with the bad ones.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

I'm not disputing or denying that a lot of wrong has been done in the name of Christianity, all I'm asking is that people please keep in mind that not all Christians behave in the ways that people find objectionable.

If people who are also Christians, do not believe homosexual acts are wrong, it is in exception to, not as part of, conventional Christianity. Also, coming to the defense of these conventional Christian beliefs being put into action, even when you do not agree with them, particularly when they are the justification for the circumstances listed above, will be justifiably labelled as objectionable. Chik-Fil-A supports a hate group, and Christians rally to undermine the opposition, the message is clear.

 

Originally Posted by pistol45

If people who are also Christians, do not believe homosexual acts are wrong, it is in exception to, not as part of, conventional Christianity. Also, coming to the defense of these conventional Christian beliefs being put into action, even when you do not agree with them, particularly when they are the justification for the circumstances listed above, will be justifiably labelled as objectionable. Chik-Fil-A supports a hate group, and Christians rally to undermine the opposition, the message is clear.

At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter whether or not Christianity teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Christianity teaches that a lot of things are wrong, such as lying, stealing, cheating, not tithing, not loving your neighbor as you love yourself, etc... I mean, we all have our stuff. Nobody is perfect. But the overriding message of Christianity is LOVE. Mark 12:28-31 says "One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.”

To me, what Jesus is saying here is that if we follow both of those commands, everything else will fall into place. If you're loving your neighbor, you won't be judging him. That's truly the most important thing, but a lot of people who claim to be Christians miss that.
The Bible says that the way is narrow and few find it. Jesus also said that not everyone who says to him "Lord, Lord" will be saved. The Bible is also very clear about the fact that we're not supposed to judge others--"let he who is without sin cast the first stone", "remove the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother's eye", "judge not lest ye be judged", etc... I won't argue with you that a lot of Christians are missing these lessons. I will say that not everyone who goes to church on Sunday and claims to be a Christian actually is one.

 

Originally Posted by XquiziVex

"I'm heterosexual." Yeah right. That dude was a total fag. What heterosexual really cares so much to waste his lunch time waiting in a long ass line just so he can videotape himself getting a free water while berating a nugget peddling ginger christian Chick fil A slute? Incocknito queers piss me off.

That was the best part of the whole thing lol ... Basically, contradicted the whole point he was trying (failing) to make.

"There's nothing wrong with gay people!! --- but I'm going to make sure I go out of my way to tell you I'm straight (because it would be terrible if anyone thought I was gay)"

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter whether or not Christianity teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Christianity teaches that a lot of things are wrong, such as lying, stealing, cheating, not tithing, not loving your neighbor as you love yourself, etc... I mean, we all have our stuff. Nobody is perfect. But the overriding message of Christianity is LOVE. Mark 12:28-31 says "One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.”

To me, what Jesus is saying here is that if we follow both of those commands, everything else will fall into place. If you're loving your neighbor, you won't be judging him. That's truly the most important thing, but a lot of people who claim to be Christians miss that.
The Bible says that the way is narrow and few find it. Jesus also said that not everyone who says to him "Lord, Lord" will be saved. The Bible is also very clear about the fact that we're not supposed to judge others--"let he who is without sin cast the first stone", "remove the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother's eye", "judge not lest ye be judged", etc... I won't argue with you that a lot of Christians are missing these lessons. I will say that not everyone who goes to church on Sunday and claims to be a Christian actually is one.

But it is not judgmental or stereotyping to say that Christianity teaches people that homosexuality is wrong. I will agree that lumping all Christians in with this belief is just as wrong-minded as lumping all Muslims in with the abhorrent laws and teachings in some Middle Eastern countries. Until the scriptures are revised to remove the hate, both religions could be labeled as hateful as easily as they can be labeled as loving.

I don't have a problem with someone stating that Christianity teaches that homosexuality is wrong. What I'm talking about is people saying "fuck Christians", "Christians are narrow-minded, judgmental, hate-mongering, unintellectual, insert whatever awful thing that people can say about a group of people. That's what bothers me.

My church NEVER mentions homosexuality AT ALL except to say "as Christians, we're to love our neighbors. Who are are neighbors? Everyone--gay, straight, black, white, Muslim, atheist, Jew, drug addict, prostitute, EVERYONE." A gay person could walk into my church and they would not feel unwelcome or judged. I've mentioned this before, but our church secretary is a former stripper. One of our pastors is a recovering addict. We have a group of homeless people who come to church services from time to time. We're a very "come as you are" group. We truly believe that everyone deserves respect, love, kindness and acceptance. To be honest, I wouldn't go to to a church that was any other way, because I believe wholeheartedly that that was Jesus' message.

So yeah, I know there are a lot of Christians out there who don't behave that way. I've encountered them. But it makes me sad that we all get lumped in with them, especially since I know the type of church I go to and what my personal beliefs are about how we're to treat others. **And knowing that there are millions upon millions of other Christians out there who also feel the way I do.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

yeah, Christians have gotten such a bad rap about telling others how to live their lives..

 

Originally Posted by killingbird

I think the problem is Christians like to say "we are not all bad, really" (and of course they are not all bad). But when thousands of their church going friends line up at a fast food joint to promote hate against a segment of society, they don't say anything to them. They put their head in the sand and go about their business. Well guess what, it's your church, so when they do something you disagree with this strongly...tell them. Or find another church. But stop being quiet.

 

Originally Posted by pistol45

If people who are also Christians, do not believe homosexual acts are wrong, it is in exception to, not as part of, conventional Christianity. Also, coming to the defense of these conventional Christian beliefs being put into action, even when you do not agree with them, particularly when they are the justification for the circumstances listed above, will be justifiably labelled as objectionable. Chik-Fil-A supports a hate group, and Christians rally to undermine the opposition, the message is clear.

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

I wouldn't be outspoken against Christianity if the religion wasn't so influential and powerful in getting people elected. I don't care what my neighbor believes. My street is extremely diverse. I'm on the corner, family from Ghana next to me, Old white people, then across the street 2 Indian families and a Christian Egyptian family, black family, then a white couple that films porn in their house. I don't care what any of them do in their house. Honestly, I think Hinduism is an absolutely awful religion in so many ways. But I don't speak out against Hinduism because their views don't have any impact on my life or how things operate in the United States. If the Hindus in America gain power and attempt to place their fucked up values on me then I'll oppose it. As is, don't care. Welcome to the neighborhood, I love your food.

Just quoting for our next discussion on good Muslims and bad Muslims.