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chick kills husband, children ask for no jail time, chick gets probation

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  1. keylight keylight is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:01am)

    i'm sure a bunch of you saw this because it was on after the games, but I'll summarize it. chick get convicted of murdering her husband (its 48 hours mystery and the evidence wasn't complete, but I thought she did it and I usually side with the defendant in these cases it doesn't really matter, though, as she was convicted). she opts for the jury that convicted her to decide her sentence (i didn't know this was an option), her kids get on the stand and say they think she's innocent and they can't go on without her. the jury gives her 10 years probation. your thoughts?

    edit: figured i should put my thoughts about this first. they are somewhat mixed. I don't believe this chick will break the law again or kill anyone again. she's an evil bitch, but like most murderers, i believe that the specific circumstances under which she would kill someone will not present themselves to her again, so she's not a risk to the community. the only reasons to put her in jail would be to punish her and to give the family of the victim what they want, assuming that's what they want. I don't care about her kid's pleas to save her. I don't think parenting is important past the age of 10 and I certainly don't think that the guidance of a murdering bitch is beneficial. I think she should get whatever the normal amount of jail time is (40 years?)
  2. JRoth15 JRoth15 is online now

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:03am) in reply to keylight

    yah she clearly killed him...no 2 ways around it.
  3. The Precedent The Precedent is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:04am) in reply to keylight

    seemed to me like she had the whole turning off/on the tears art down to a science
  4. emcee21 emcee21 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:05am) in reply to keylight

    Did you happen to catch the name of her lawyer?
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:16am) in reply to emcee21

     
    Originally Posted by emcee21 View Post

    Did you happen to catch the name of her lawyer?

    what I was thinkin ^^^
  6. keylight keylight is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:24am) in reply to towman1

    i didn't catch it, but I tried to look it up because I have an e-man-crush on emcee21. ernesto gamez? I'm pretty drunk, am I missing some significance in this?
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  7. JRoth15 JRoth15 is online now

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:26am) in reply to keylight

    i'm not sure either...i think he means he needs to get out of a murder charge, but i may be missing it.
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:28am) in reply to keylight

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I'm pretty drunk, am I missing some significance in this?

    Well...shit. The e-crush in mutual, and we should probably e-make-out some time. That said, the question was pretty f'ing rhetorical. It wasn't meant to be super-bomb-dropping-funny, just "hey, if she got off with probation, she probably has a good lawyer....har har". Now that you've actually researched the answer, it's pretty awkward in here. Sorry about that.
  9. imhooks imhooks is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:28am) in reply to keylight

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I don't think parenting is important past the age of 10

    HUH?
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:28am) in reply to JRoth15

    chuck norris would have sent the mother & father to jail for selling drugs, and probably would do a few stuttering roundhouse kicks to the face in the process.

    chuck norris wouldn't have let this happen.
      
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:31am) in reply to sketchy1

    I just watched this and it was nuts..

    But if i am on that JURY, no way i say guilty!

    There just wasnt enough evidence to convict, no way
  12. towman1 towman1 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:32am) in reply to MookMonster

    but I tried to look it up because I have an e-man-crush on emcee21

    me too he's so dreamy

    sigh
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:35am) in reply to keylight

    The judge is an idiot for allowing the jury to reach that decision. Now there are gonna be tons of people raising this kind of defense figuring they can be off the hook if their kids plead not to convict their mother/father.
  14. keylight keylight is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:41am) in reply to emcee21

    ahhh i get it now. i'm e-embarrassed. more evidence that I drink too much.

    pretend that I wrote: her lawyer was Jacoby and Fucking Awesome.
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  15. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:47am) in reply to MookMonster

     
    Originally Posted by MookMonster View Post

    I just watched this and it was nuts..

    But if i am on that JURY, no way i say guilty!

    There just wasnt enough evidence to convict, no way

    <3 the concept of putting people away for decades or giving them the death penalty with "beyond a reasonable doubt" evidence

    Gotta love the system
     
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:54am) in reply to marinersheep

    I agree with this. If I were on the jury I don't think I would vote guilty. The interviews, in conjunction with the evidence, is what, for me, made her seem guilty.

    all that is irelevant, though, to what I was trying to ask. Assuming she's guilty and assuming she won't kill again, should she get probation to raise her kids? that's basically what I was trying to get at. I only posted this because of the thread about the woman who escaped jail and lived a normal life for 30 years in suburbia and then got caught. basically what I am asking is does punishment trump all circumstances?
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:59am) in reply to keylight

    mbn to be convicted of murder and get probation
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 1:04am) in reply to keylight

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I don't believe this <strike>chick</strike> guy will break the law again or kill anyone again. <strike>she's</strike> He's an evil bitch, but like most murderers, i believe that the specific circumstances under which <strike>she</strike> he would kill someone will not present themselves to <strike>her</strike> him again, so <strike>she's </strike>he's not a risk to the community. the only reasons to put <strike>her</strike> him in jail would be to punish <strike>her</strike> him and to give the family of Nicole Brown Simpson what they want, assuming that's what they want.

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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 1:08am) in reply to imhooks

     
    Originally Posted by imhooks View Post

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I don't think parenting is important past the age of 10

    HUH?

    10 is an arbitrary number that I just threw out. It's a personal opinion based only off of anecdotal evidence. I think parenting is extremely important from when you are born to when you are like 7 or 8. after that I think a parent's only obligation is to keep your kid alive and not pregnant. I had pretty detached parents and looking back on it I think it was for the best.
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 1:31am) in reply to keylight

    I don't believe a word out of that bish's mouth
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 1:39am) in reply to imhooks

     
    Originally Posted by imhooks View Post

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I don't think parenting is important past the age of 10

    HUH?

    I was just about to post the exact same thing...wtf are you talking about keylight
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 2:02am) in reply to keylight

    I'm certain that the TV program presented an absolutly unbiased view. Of course she did it.
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 2:40am) in reply to RichardHurtz

    didn't you see the part where her kids say she isn't guilty?
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 3:10am) in reply to userid363

    If she is innocent she cant risk an appeal
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 4:42am) in reply to ace1won

    guilty... 1 count murder, 1 count conspiracy, many counts fake crying.
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 11:03am) in reply to JRoth15

     
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    yah she clearly killed him...no 2 ways around it.

    agreed

    she was the world's worst fake cryer ever
    she cried the same way each time

    dont these people know that divorce is pretty easy

    jury blew that one
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 11:09am) in reply to keylight

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

     
    Originally Posted by imhooks View Post

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I don't think parenting is important past the age of 10

    HUH?

    10 is an arbitrary number that I just threw out. It's a personal opinion based only off of anecdotal evidence. I think parenting is extremely important from when you are born to when you are like 7 or 8. after that I think a parent's only obligation is to keep your kid alive and not pregnant. I had pretty detached parents and looking back on it I think it was for the best.

    It may have been the best for YOU, maybe. But it's still a stupid thing to tell yourself.
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 11:32am) in reply to warden

     
    Originally Posted by dpottz View Post

    mbn to be convicted of murder and get probation

    This. What a joke of a sentence IMO
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 11:54am) in reply to SerlinSteak19

     
    Originally Posted by SerlinSteak19 View Post

    The judge is an idiot for allowing the jury to reach that decision. Now there are gonna be tons of people raising this kind of defense figuring they can be off the hook if their kids plead not to convict their mother/father.

    according to the show, there was nothing the judge could do under the law

    the jury was totally in charge of the sentence
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    Mar 22nd, 2009 (3/22/2009 12:01pm) in reply to ace1won

     
    Originally Posted by ace1won View Post

    If she is innocent she cant risk an appeal

    ah yes she can

    this is her sentence if she wins on appeal and there is a new trial she cannot receive a sentence higher than this one if she is convicted again

    the only way she ends up in jail now is if she violates probation
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