Originally Posted by ECUgirl

I wouldn't say that's a simple question. I have many reasons, not the least of which is faith. A lot of it has to do with it just making sense. A lot of what science has discovered to be true about human behavior and best practices are backed up by the Bible. The accuracy of the prophecy also blows my mind. Just studied Daniel and found it pretty amazing. The prophecies about Jesus in the OT are also pretty amazing. You can read more about the prophecies and the mathematical odds here:

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-odds-je...t-5064980.html

I would belittle you as to how obviously made up everything in this link is related to numbers/odds are, or how hilariously miscalculated they are even IF all the stipulations are true.

But then again, what's the point?

This reminds me of that thread were the religous nuts still thought the world was flat and at the center of the universe.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

You can read more about the prophecies and the mathematical odds here:

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-odds-je...t-5064980.html

any book written by Charles Fuck You A, has to be legit!

 

Originally Posted by qjuice14

You look at this system of redemption and see it as a positive where most of us, itt, see it as complete bullshit. We are created, against our will, in such a manner that we are inherently flawed and never are capable of being "good enough". We get so bad that our creator, who created us precisely this way and knows precisely what we will do at all conceivable times and places, decides to destroy us and start over. For thousands of years we suffer in our sin until finally our creator sends himself to sacrifice himself to himself so that we can be saved. After all that, we can still never be good enough but as long as we believe that this happened, praise him for it, and strive to be the best versions of ourselve it does not matter how our actions increase the suffering of others we can finally get into Heaven. And this is the best system that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent creator can come up with? I guess that is why they call it faith.

It also leaves a system where a rapist, as long as he believes, can get into heaven forever, but a charity worker who doesn't, get's to go to hell to be tortured for ever. Seems legit for a caring loving being.

 

Originally Posted by FI5HMAN

Cue Marlon Brando clapping gif.

Think you mean Orson Welles.

wow this is why I stay out of religious threads..

For alot of people who condemn the US trying to force democracy upon the world as a whole, and Christianity for spreading it's believes... you all (90% of OT it seems) are sure good at forcing your views of religion upon others. Tremendously hypocritical.

Also to the idiot who wants the NE, Cal, and OR to secede... you're just as bad as those moron Texans who have a large Texas flag with the word 'SECEDE' on the back of their 50ft monster trucks rolling down the highway. Just STFU and go back to your corner.

Have a blessed day!

 

Originally Posted by Glo4m

yeah but our believes > christian believes ainec

"Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does."

No one is born an atheist, they learn NOT to believe. People choose to become atheists.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

Hope you had a catchrag after you posted this.

Just challenging perceptions of an authoritarian, father-like, god.

 

Originally Posted by XBassX

wow this is why I stay out of religious threads..

For alot of people who condemn the US trying to force democracy upon the world as a whole, and Christianity for spreading it's believes... you all (90% of OT it seems) are sure good at forcing your views of religion upon others. Tremendously hypocritical.

Also to the idiot who wants the NE, Cal, and OR to secede... you're just as bad as those moron Texans who have a large Texas flag with the word 'SECEDE' on the back of their 50ft monster trucks rolling down the highway. Just STFU and go back to your corner.

Have a blessed day!

"You all are hypocrites for pushing your views on other people...now here are my views"

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

Just challenging perceptions of an authoritarian, father-like, god.

The implicit assumption being that those who hold those perceptions do so because they have never been challenged. It couldn't possibly be that they have heard the challenges, weighed them accordingly, and found them wanting. It's just that they haven't heard rayspizza's wisdom, and once they do the scales will fall from their eyes.

 

Originally Posted by XBassX

wow this is why I stay out of religious threads..

For alot of people who condemn the US trying to force democracy upon the world as a whole, and Christianity for spreading it's believes... you all (90% of OT it seems) are sure good at forcing your views of religion upon others. Tremendously hypocritical.

Also to the idiot who wants the NE, Cal, and OR to secede... you're just as bad as those moron Texans who have a large Texas flag with the word 'SECEDE' on the back of their 50ft monster trucks rolling down the highway. Just STFU and go back to your corner.

Have a blessed day!

how does one going about forcing a lack of belief on others? lmao

and I lived in Texas for a dozen years and never saw one of these giant "secede" flags you referenced. I'm sure they exist tho. saw a bumper sticker or 2 over the years

The idea of a higher power or creative force would be done a great service if religious people didn't think that some guys with relatively little knowledge of how the universe works had gotten it infallibly right a few thousand years ago.

Religious people should maintain their faith in "God" while allowing their definition of that extremely complex concept to he somewhat malleable. To hold onto such concrete ideas in light of new advancements in knowledge is hard headed. It leads to conflict of all kinds from relatively small to massive, but all of that conflict is a problem for religion.

So hold onto your faith in a greater, creative plan, but don't dumb it down to some judgemental external being that seems kinda fickle and intolerant of his creation.