cliffnotes: Glen Beck gets chain emails. lol

co-sign most of it tho ldo

 

Originally Posted by moses rob

One sided???????

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me

pretty sure being old 53 doesnt mean you know what you are talking about.

Helen thinks it does lol

 

Originally Posted by fly44

Seven- Now you are being racist. But whatever investigate away, thats what the government should do.

How is it being racist to want to investigate an organization that is being accused of fraud and embezzlement? There are people in the organization itself that are calling for investigation who happen to be black.

 

Originally Posted by fly44

Also I think it is important to point out where the Republicans fucked up (Company bailouts, way too much spending, limiting civil liberties) because by itself these points sound like a dig against the left wing.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what your trying to say here, but it sounds like she is accusing both parties of doing all of these things, which IMO they both have been doing for a long time.

 

Originally Posted by ginwilly

VIVA LE REVOLUTION!!!!!!!

I think it's viva LA revolution

The implication that ACORN has a huge effect on the election is crazy. From a purely statistical standpoint, it's ludicrous. The implication that ACORN is under investigation in 14 states or whatever is misleading. ACORN employees are under investigation, not for voter fraud, but of filing bogus registrations. ACORN turned them in, because those employees were defrauding ACORN, not the governmnet. ACORN pre-emptively flagged the known bogus registrations when it turned them in (by law, ACORN must submit all registration forms it receives, even the ones it KNOWS are bogus.) None of the bogus voter registration forms have ever resulted in a fraudulent vote being cast. It's half-truths and innuendo.

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me.

The second sentence from her letter says she was a dem until the last election. And if you look at the recent history (the last 8 years), the Repubs have been the ones who started the company bailouts, spent way too much and limited civil liberties. I don't see this as a smear on either party individually, but I can understand how some would since she sent the letter to Glenn Beck.

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

The implication that ACORN is under investigation in 14 states or whatever is misleading. ACORN employees are under investigation, not for voter fraud, but of filing bogus registrations.

Lol, sounds like exactly like a statement from ACORN. So how many individual cases would there have to be before you think its fair to blame the organization? And I am aware that this doesn't mean ACORN is responsible for fradulent votes.

Care to address the $1 mil embezzlement that was never reported? Or why ACORN is so worried about making their records public? If they have nothing to hide and are only looking to help people then they shouldn't have a problem opening up their books, esp if they expect to keep getting government funding.

 

Originally Posted by tkeat1653

so by reading something that you post in P5's OT section, that shows that my country is important to me?

That's pretty much the definition they're going with for patriotism in the next edition of Webster's

i obv agree with the sentiment expressed, though maybe not all the specifics she enumerates

 

Originally Posted by 2Slick4u

This letter is far too long for most people under 30 years old because their attention span is usually about the length of a tv sit-com, or perhaps a 55-minute college lecture if they're pushed to the max.

The essence of it is easy to grasp:

1.) The federal government has gotten fat, corrupt and stopped listening to the electorate.

2.) The two main political parties (Dems & Repubs) have lost track of what their primary responsibilities are (securing our borders from ALL illegals, providing for the military defense of our country, its allies and its strategic interests around the world, ensuring ALL the tenants of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are protected and upheld)

3.) The politicians of both political parties have, for the most part, been in Washington for far too long. They live and breathe the bullshit generated by the entrenched bureaucrats, the lobbyists, the big corporations, the rich and the national media. They are so disconnected from their constituents and that disconnect has existed so long they no longer feel any ties to ~ much less empathy or understanding ~ to bother making any decisions which place the desires or interests of the citizens above their own choices. And these choices, by their very nature are usually either completely self-serving or made to advance the interests of their party or the special interests and big money backers who pay for their re-election campaigns.

4.) The federal government has been spending too much money for years, but what is now being spent is beyond all comprehension. I truly can't grasp the math of TRILLIONS of dollars in federal spending. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in this forum who actually can get their heads around that kind of number. The debt this represents for us, our children and our grandchildren is terminal. We were the richest nation in the world by far, and in half a generation we have become the poorest. The worst thing is, with this bunch of fools in Washington the end isn't even in sight yet.

No, being 53 years old doesn't necessarily make someone a guru or mega-intellectual, but it does mean the person has lived long enough to see past the last election cycle, the erosion of state's rights over the past 25 years, the growing chasm between the citizens and our elected leaders and the "dumbing down" of our education system, the growing fiscal irresponsibility of the whole Washington crowd; not just the elected leaders, but the whole government bureaucracy, including the defence industry and on and on and on.

I'll cut this off because I know I've way exceeded the attention span of 98% of the posters here, but I'll finish by saying this country is at a critical juncture in its history and if we don't elect leadership to restore fiscal sanity and initiate a return to the tenants of the Constitution, we're all screwed and so are our kids and their kids.

Now flame away.

No flame here, 2slick. You summarized it very well. Amazing how many people want to call Glenn Beck a right wing nut when he represents the Libertarian party in which so many here claim to believe.

 

Originally Posted by cminer25

So how many individual cases would there have to be before you think its fair to blame the organization?

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

A lot fucking more than the LESS than 1% of 1% of all the voters they registered. For fuck's sake, man.

You misunderstood my point. ACORN employees in 14 different states are being accused of voter fraud. ACORN has basically thrown them to the wolves and denies any knowledge of this fraud until it was reported. They are trying to write it off as just random "rogue" employees acting on their own. How many corrupt employees in an organization have to be exposed before you start to suspect that something may be wrong with the organization itself?

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

If the $1 mil embezzlement was "never reported" how do you know about it? ESP? I don't even know how to answer a question like that.

Never reported to the police, the head of ACORN was on Bill O'reilly and admitted to the embezzlement. I couldn't find a video but here is a transcript:

<span id="intelliTXT">
O'REILLY: All right, so the money that you get. All of these tens of millions goes to help poor people. But then we have a guy named Dale Rathke, who apparently embezzled a million dollars from you. His brother Wade was the former head of ACORN. And ACORN does not charge, does not bring charges against Mr. Rathke. So Ms. Lewis, you can see how someone like me can say hey, this organization ACORN is not being one responsibly. A guy embezzled a million bucks. They wouldn't prosecute the man. Wade Rathke still has an office in Canal Street in New Orleans. You can see where I'm a little suspicious, madam.

LEWIS: Well, let me just clear it up for you. Number one, I am the CEO and chief organizer. I have zero tolerance for any sort of misdoing.

O'REILLY: Then why didn't you prosecute Dale Rathke?

LEWIS: Once the board found out — we — this happened 8 years ago and the board immediately terminated them. Guilty of wrongdoing.

O'REILLY: Why didn't you prosecute him? A million bucks is a lot of money.

LEWIS: And we've recovered every single dime and won't — will not tolerate any employee on my staff under my regime with wrongdoing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523177,00.html

So again, why would they not prosecute this guy, just because some mystery donor gave the money back? I find it extremely hard to believe something else isn't going on. If they really are on the up and up then they should want to clear their name, which they could do by making their financial records public. I think the taxpayers have a right to know what has happened with our money.

Just to clarify, I do acknowledge that ACORN has done some good and that there are many good, honest people working for them. But when people high up in their organization are calling for an investigation, it really should raise some red flags.

</span>

 

Originally Posted by 2Slick4u

This letter is far too long for most people under 30 years old because their attention span is usually about the length of a tv sit-com, or perhaps a 55-minute college lecture if they're pushed to the max.

The essence of it is easy to grasp:

1.) The federal government has gotten fat, corrupt and stopped listening to the electorate.

2.) The two main political parties (Dems & Repubs) have lost track of what their primary responsibilities are (securing our borders from ALL illegals, providing for the military defense of our country, its allies and its strategic interests around the world, ensuring ALL the tenants of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are protected and upheld)

3.) The politicians of both political parties have, for the most part, been in Washington for far too long. They live and breathe the bullshit generated by the entrenched bureaucrats, the lobbyists, the big corporations, the rich and the national media. They are so disconnected from their constituents and that disconnect has existed so long they no longer feel any ties to ~ much less empathy or understanding ~ to bother making any decisions which place the desires or interests of the citizens above their own choices. And these choices, by their very nature are usually either completely self-serving or made to advance the interests of their party or the special interests and big money backers who pay for their re-election campaigns.

4.) The federal government has been spending too much money for years, but what is now being spent is beyond all comprehension. I truly can't grasp the math of TRILLIONS of dollars in federal spending. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in this forum who actually can get their heads around that kind of number. The debt this represents for us, our children and our grandchildren is terminal. We were the richest nation in the world by far, and in half a generation we have become the poorest. The worst thing is, with this bunch of fools in Washington the end isn't even in sight yet.

No, being 53 years old doesn't necessarily make someone a guru or mega-intellectual, but it does mean the person has lived long enough to see past the last election cycle, the erosion of state's rights over the past 25 years, the growing chasm between the citizens and our elected leaders and the "dumbing down" of our education system, the growing fiscal irresponsibility of the whole Washington crowd; not just the elected leaders, but the whole government bureaucracy, including the defence industry and on and on and on.

I'll cut this off because I know I've way exceeded the attention span of 98% of the posters here, but I'll finish by saying this country is at a critical juncture in its history and if we don't elect leadership to restore fiscal sanity and initiate a return to the tenants of the Constitution, we're all screwed and so are our kids and their kids.

Now flame away.

excellent post