Hmmm let’s see here ... 50+ million died in WW2
How many have died since in every war, skirmish, and insertion, whatever?
Add them all up together and I bet it’s not even close.

America owning militarily is the greatest thing for peace since humans have decided they don’t like each other.
At least for the time being our country is more powerful than any other in the history of civilization.
It’s a fact of life that people argue, sometime arguments escalate to fighting, and sometimes fights escalate further into war.
Until we live in a Utopia and everyone gets along, I like the idea that the most powerful country also believes in fundamental freedoms.
Other countries believe in other fundamentals, such as oppression, censorship, and genocide.
Should we allow anyone else to wield the torch of such power?
Where would the world be if any other country was in charge?
Name which country you would choose to replace us as the leading world power?
Who would be their leader? What are their fundamental ideals?
Do you really believe if stayed out of global politics, everyone else would just get along?

 

Originally Posted by treypear

Hmmm let’s see here ... 50+ million died in WW2
How many have died since in every war, skirmish, and insertion, whatever?
Add them all up together and I bet it’s not even close.

America owning militarily is the greatest thing for peace since humans have decided they don’t like each other.
At least for the time being our country is more powerful than any other in the history of civilization.
It’s a fact of life that people argue, sometime arguments escalate to fighting, and sometimes fights escalate further into war.
Until we live in a Utopia and everyone gets along, I like the idea that the most powerful country also believes in fundamental freedoms.
Other countries believe in other fundamentals, such as oppression, censorship, and genocide.
Should we allow anyone else to wield the torch of such power?
Where would the world be if any other country was in charge?
Name which country you would choose to replace us as the leading world power?
Who would be their leader? What are their fundamental ideals?
Do you really believe if stayed out of global politics, everyone else would just get along?

What? While our country is better than most when it comes to freedom, we fall short in way too many areas. Are you trying to say that the US doesn't believe in censorship? Don't get me wrong, I love being an American, but I also think we could and we should do a hell of a lot better. How can a Russian or Venezuelan guy play online poker, while an American cannot? How does someone living under a repressive dictator have more freedom in that respect than I do?

Why does a country need to replace the US? The US doesn't go into wars simply to help defend those that are vulnerable and having their freedom trampled on. If we did, we'd have gone in and helped the people in the Sudan. Why is it our problem if other countries get along?

 

We are the premier world power, and we do impose our will on others, but our imposition is with the intentions of freedom, peace, and prosperity. Not domination!

You can't impose freedom.

 

I've never heard of freedom being rejected.

Then why impose?

I'm a fan of the ad. I'm glad a candidate is thinking out of the box on ads for a change. It's refreshing.

 

Originally Posted by treypear

When have we done this, (not that im disagreeing), but everyone says this but never cites times, places, leaders etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Good examples ... the guatemalan one seems especially tragic.
Obv America has made several mistakes and will continue to make several more.

If Geopolitics was a poker game I would say we fucked up these hands royally.
But at this time we have 30% of the chips in play with 196 entrants left. Do we just quit the game because we didnt play every hand perfectly or should we learn from our mistakes?

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

No idea what you mean. My point was that if freedom is imposed on someone then it isn't freedom.

What if freedom is imposed on a previous dictatorship where the majority population is now free to elect their own leaders and make their own choices without being under duress or having fear of repurcussions?

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

We're imperialists?? Lol

im·pe·ri·al·ism   [im-peer-ee-uh-liz-uhm]
1.
the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

I would say that we extend the authority of our nation over foreign countries.

 

Originally Posted by Hoobangin

lol @ Norcal and his Team America World Police mentality.

shhh. Americans are talking.

 

Originally Posted by emcee21

shhh. Americans are talking.

Sorry I don't listen to people that aren't allowed to play poker on the internet. Now go sit in the corner and listen to your master.

 

Originally Posted by USCswimmer

"Hear", idiot*

Punctuation is a skill

This thread has made me just shake my head at each post you have posted...

Commas, as well as other punctuation such as periods and question marks at the end of a quote, belong within quotation marks, even when not part of the quoted text.

edit: wrong thread

 

Originally Posted by CeJeH

The world would be a much better place if people like norcaljeff weren't allowed to vote. I can't believe you are real Jeff every post you make is the same worthless bullshit over and over again. You are the worst poster on this site and I am ashamed that you have norcal in your screen name. If you actually believe even half the bullshit you post on here then there is something seriously wrong with your political outlook.

Only if people like killingbird aren't allowed to vote either. I mean, killingbird is the guy that keeps saying things are better under President Obama even when President Obama has said things are worse today than they were 3 years ago.

Lemmings on either said are the worst.

 

Originally Posted by CeJeH

Killingbird doesn't have 47 million posts though. Jeff is in every. single. thread. every day, for eternity. endless mount everest sized pile of bullshit.

Having a bunch of posts doesn't make norcaljeff any worse than a guy that thinks the economy and unemployment have improved under President Obama.

 

Originally Posted by USCswimmer

"Hear", idiot*

Punctuation is a skill

This thread has made me just shake my head at each post you have posted...

qfgrammarfail

 

Originally Posted by CeJeH

The world would be a much better place if people like norcaljeff weren't allowed to vote. I can't believe you are real Jeff every post you make is the same worthless bullshit over and over again. You are the worst poster on this site and I am ashamed that you have norcal in your screen name. If you actually believe even half the bullshit you post on here then there is something seriously wrong with your political outlook.

Sick examples.