Originally Posted by OneM24

It seems to me you just don't trust LEOs, and you don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Statements such as the one you just made about police lie about what happened to cover themselves, and their associates lie to cover for them, lend to my assumption that you just don't want to trust LEOs. Some people look for reasons to blame police, so I'm not very surprised by your statement. At the end of the day, I would hate to have the mindset that all police lie and you can't trust them. I think that would be very taxing, and would nearly prevent any notion of being objective.

believe me, I don't like it either but wtf am I supposed to do? ignore reality? you don't think LEOs ever lie to protect one of their own? maybe I watch too much teevee..

and I did say I pretty much agreed w you, I assume LEOs generally do a good job under incredibly trying circumstances. but doing good 99% of the time doesn't excuse the 1% that suck and get their crimes covered up by other "good" LEOs. (my numbers are just thrown out there because numbers were needed, prolly doesn't reflect the real world.)

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

So what you are saying is police need to be present for protests, but that more training on how to better handle these situations is necessary. Correct?

Police not showing up to a protest simply isn't an option. Protests do have a history of going downhill of their own merit, which is to say not all violence at protests begin because of police.

Most of the violence I saw at OWS demonstrations was perpetrated by the cops, not the demonstrators. Hell, there were military people yelling at the police in those demonstrations for treating American citizens worse than we treat enemy combatants overseas.

Another example of why the "bad apple" argument doesn't fly with respect to police officers.

 

More than $840,000 was awarded Monday to 96 victims of illegal searches, seizures and use of excessive force by the now-defunct Metro Gang Strike Force, including a dozen juveniles who were targeted by a Brooklyn Park police officer. The scandal-ridden gang unit, shut down by the Department of Public Safety three years ago this month, broke through people's doors without justification, seized property without authorization and injured people who were not suspects, according to reports by Mark Gehan, a St. Paul attorney appointed as special master in the case.

http://www.startribune.com/local/min...6.html?refer=y

Note that none of the officers involved have been punished in any way.

How often do the police testify against their coworkers? Seems very rare

Stupid fucking pigs.

Eddie murphy broke a lot of rules in those movies. Just sayin


Edit: he stole a house ffs.

 

Originally Posted by cmval

A collaborative investigation launched by law clinics at four top universities has assembled damning evidence of widespread misconduct

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...street/260295/

yeah, obviously my 99%/1% ratio needs severe modification to conform to reality. I mean, the LEOs are doing this to peaceful protesters for no fucking reason other than power-tripping. and if they are doing this in front of witnesses then wtf is happening when there are no cameras and no one to see it? pretty scary shit to say the least.

edit - gang members gonna gang member - covering up crimes by fellow LEOs = standard procedure. I find it unfucking real they cover-up crimes for their "co-workers", how can they sleep at night? and for every instance that comes to the light-of-day there are hundreds we never hear about.

"A member of the Research Team witnessed officers arresting a protester. A number of officers took the protester to the ground, and restrained him as he lay face-first on the street. The Research Team member heard the protester cry out, and knelt down to observe the arrest. She then witnessed an officer pull back his leg and kick the protester hard in the face. Another witness also saw the incident. Efforts to obtain the badge number of the responsible officer were thwarted by police, who refused to identify the officer and then took him away in a police van."

that car is def sweet and I have thought of cameras myself but that guy was a little overboard

smoke screen and door handle shockers lol

suspended but not arrested?

lol, i love the world, full of mystery and mind fuck

 

Originally Posted by cmval

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#...atrol-car.wreg

Obv pulp fiction fans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1126674

 

Originally Posted by nowapowa

where the fuck do you see them attacking the police? that is utter bullshit. they were protesting the shooting of an unarmed man who later died. at the scene cops were more concerned about preventing people from seeing and filming what was going on than helping the person they just unnecessarily shot!

lmfao sick brag re not listening to the tape or reading stories about what happened.

Wtf would have even thought to do that? gross