Originally Posted by NarcoCop

How about the part that was edited prior to the police abuse ? YOUTUBE video's lol. Of course they don't show what the offender did prior to the cops reaction.

So a cops job is to punish a person for bad behavior. Once the person is subdued or under arrest/control, should the officer continue to beat them or sick dogs on them?

NarcoCop, just stop. This is not a forum in which you will succeed in getting someone to understand your point of view. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that anybody who has never been charged with enforcing the law and protecting the citizens will never be able to fully grasp what it is like to be in your shoes.

At the end of the day, you don't need to justify anything to the people on this forum. I learned long ago that attempting to justify the actions of police to the members on this forum is an uphill battle you're unlikely to win. If you go to work each day, do your job to the best of your ability, and are proud of and can stand behind the actions you took while at work that day, that's what matters.

There are corrupt people in every profession, and that includes law enforcement. That said, we as law enforcement are scrutinized and in the public eye more than any other profession. People have an incentive to make police look bad, and very little to report positive things. Being an authority figure isn't easy, and it's not going to get any easier either. I've worked with guys who I would rather not work with, but the vast majority are great men and women who give of themselves selflessly each and every day on the job. Let the nay sayers say what they will, and let it roll off your back.

Be safe.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

NarcoCop, just stop. This is not a forum in which you will succeed in getting someone to understand your point of view. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that anybody who has never been charged with enforcing the law and protecting the citizens will never be able to fully grasp what it is like to be in your shoes.

At the end of the day, you don't need to justify anything to the people on this forum. I learned long ago that attempting to justify the actions of police to the members on this forum is an uphill battle you're unlikely to win. If you go to work each day, do your job to the best of your ability, and are proud of and can stand behind the actions you took while at work that day, that's what matters.

There are corrupt people in every profession, and that includes law enforcement. That said, we as law enforcement are scrutinized and in the public eye more than any other profession. People have an incentive to make police look bad, and very little to report positive things. Being an authority figure isn't easy, and it's not going to get any easier either. I've worked with guys who I would rather not work with, but the vast majority are great men and women who give of themselves selflessly each and every day on the job. Let the nay sayers say what they will, and let it roll off your back.

Be safe.

I definately have stopped. They have their opinions and we know the facts. Been doing this job for 11 years and proud of it. Thank you and Be Safe

 

Originally Posted by NarcoCop

I definately have stopped. They have their opinions and we know the facts. Been doing this job for 11 years and proud of it. Thank you and Be Safe

LOL I love the haughty tone of your post.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

LOL I love the haughty tone of your post.

Not arrogant whatsoever. Good luck in life.

 

Originally Posted by NarcoCop

Not arrogant whatsoever. Good luck in life.

No. No arrogance at all when conveying the sentiment that "we know better than you do".

 

Originally Posted by NarcoCop

They have their opinions and we know the facts.

the path to understanding begins with believing this.

Narco and M24,
I for one do admire and appreciate the good officers out there yourselves no doubt included. I could never even pretend that I would make it in that profession with all of the disgusting pieces of scum running rampant these days. i believe the police are judged more harshly because they are held to a higher standard and in my opinion rightfully so. You cannot be quick tempered or someone who chooses to inflict punishment on others when it is not your job to do so. I know that is exactly what I would do in that field and that is why I am not an officer.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

NarcoCop, just stop. This is not a forum in which you will succeed in getting someone to understand your point of view. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that anybody who has never been charged with enforcing the law and protecting the citizens will never be able to fully grasp what it is like to be in your shoes.

At the end of the day, you don't need to justify anything to the people on this forum. I learned long ago that attempting to justify the actions of police to the members on this forum is an uphill battle you're unlikely to win. If you go to work each day, do your job to the best of your ability, and are proud of and can stand behind the actions you took while at work that day, that's what matters.

There are corrupt people in every profession, and that includes law enforcement. That said, we as law enforcement are scrutinized and in the public eye more than any other profession. People have an incentive to make police look bad, and very little to report positive things. Being an authority figure isn't easy, and it's not going to get any easier either. I've worked with guys who I would rather not work with, but the vast majority are great men and women who give of themselves selflessly each and every day on the job. Let the nay sayers say what they will, and let it roll off your back.

Be safe.

+1. I don't know dyz in real life but I can tell that he (LIKE MOST PPL ON HERE & IN LIFE)
thinks he is right and isn't willing to budge. That is his right and he is certainly entitled to it

 

Originally Posted by cmval

First sentence is very cliche and second one is just wrong.

Few bad apples/corrupt people in every profession...these types of apologist arguments are just really boring and old and have no substance.

Sometimes cops are scrutinized but they are not scrutinized more than professional athletes and hollywood stars. But when cops go out of line its noticed because of the authority you hold.

And one other thing....its not just this forum. This forum is not a hive mind imo. There are very different types of people and tastes here. It just so happens most everyone likes poker. OneM if you think the views here are only confined to here then you are sadly mistaken.

I would say that sentence is pretty accurate. And yes, most ppl hate cops because 99% of the time they encounter them is when they've done something wrong. Who is going to like someone who enforces the law against them whether it be making them pay a ticket they can't afford or arresting them for having drugs on them (even if it is just a lil weed)

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

LOL I love the haughty tone of your post.

Listen , I get it. I've never been in law enforcement but if I risked my fucking life every fkn day, kissed my kids and had them have to watch me walk out the door every morning with a gun on my hip and not know if im coming home and then get disrespected and for not a ton of pay, u better fucking believe that Id be mad when someone puts me in a spot where I don't know what's comin next.
Most ppl would tell u that I am one of the most even keel nicest ppl they know & I don't think that I could handle being a LEO.

 

Originally Posted by wes_mc

Good post, OneM. I only agree with probably about half of what you said, but it was well said. Arguing over the internet isn't my cup of tea, but I'll argue with you in person over a couple of beers next time you're in town :)

For the record, I don't hate cops as a group any more than I hate anyone else. I have had plenty of interactions with them; some positive and some negative, but none violent. However, the level of power, self-entitlement, and individual "discretion" that so many seem to wield is truly disturbing (even when it comes to the good cops).

You sound very logical. I hated cops for a long time, now I just hate the bad ones. House got robbed when I was 11 and the officers were douchebags and I also had a cop arrest me on a total BS charge where I actually went to IA in Houston (corrupt ass force pre Katrina) and filed charges against the 2 officers but I am not gonna hold the rest of em accountable

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

As an example of someone I would consider a "good" cop, based only upon my experience with him in social settings though, he said it was quite common for police officers to arrest and then release those caught with small amounts of marijuana and take the "evidence" home for their own personal use.

I would consider a good cop to be one that treats everyone equally in equal settings. One that cares about his community and one that uses necessary force but not excess force.

 

Originally Posted by wes_mc

Good post, OneM. I only agree with probably about half of what you said, but it was well said. Arguing over the internet isn't my cup of tea, but I'll argue with you in person over a couple of beers next time you're in town :)

For the record, I don't hate cops as a group any more than I hate anyone else. I have had plenty of interactions with them; some positive and some negative, but none violent. However, the level of power, self-entitlement, and individual "discretion" that so many seem to wield is truly disturbing (even when it comes to the good cops).

If I'm going to be showing up for an argument, you're definitely buying the first round.

 

Originally Posted by NarcoCop

I definately have stopped. They have their opinions and we know the facts. Been doing this job for 11 years and proud of it. Thank you and Be Safe

what an asshat. We know the facts, which are " anyone who opposes us are criminals"

I had a dream last night that the new procedure for trying to find drunk drivers was to make the driver sit with the cop and drive around and talk to him for awhile. I think the idea is for the cop to try and trick you into admitting you're drunk with tough questions.

Well I get a cool cop who tells me I'm clearly okay to drive and he is just doing this for procedure and I can play with the lights and radio if I want. It was going great and we were just heading back to my car when of course a 672 (I forget the actual number but whatever it was it stood for gang war) comes in over the radio and there was no time to drop me off. So I get thrown right in the middle of a gang war. I have no idea what happened at the gang war I woke up when shots were fired but I couldn't imagine being in that situation. One minute you're driving around minding you're own business the next you're thrown into a gang war.

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

This is actually one area where I completely agree with Dyz. IMO Cops don't get a pass for having a hard job or risking their life on a daily basis. I appreciate their sacrifice, but we should set the bar for our police force at the highest level. The entire culture of "look out for your brothers first", is completely contrary to the message of "protect the community". It's authority run-a-muck and Narcos posts, as well as the officers comments from the other thread, about the guy answering the door with gun, highlight a sense that police force is justified anytime the community shows any opposition. I just disagree vehemently and saying that my opinion is invalid because I don't know "the truth" is a typical, civilians are inferior, response.

I just don't think you can imply that all cops are bad because of some YouTube videos...

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest things cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.

- Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy

All poker players are scum because there are a few scammers

All politicians are scum because there are a few crooked officials

All priests are scum because there are a few child molesters

And all cops are scum because there are a few idiot cops.