[eagleseye13 japanese pos]

I had this discussion with my cousin tonight..

backround..both brought up in a heavy catholic backround..school, church, everything..I since HS have gone towards science and evolution, he has stuck with religion faith..

I dont believe church is valuable what so ever, to hear some random person tell you what to believe and thats its right. I think the bible is like a fable, stories passed on and exaggerated. In no way is there proof, Noahs Ark, the tablets, anything. Its all based on hearsay. Religion was a way to bring others together to go against another race culture back in the times and still today. If earth was first as per the bible, did god create the other solar systems when? the 9th day?? We know they are there so where is the story for those? I am a realist who believes in proof, see to believe. You can have faith in something, yes i agree but if it happens u credit it to that belief. If it doesn't, then its more than likely denounced. There are thousands of different beliefs, opinoins, and thoughts that humans have about this and I am fully convinced our mind capability cannot go farther than death. You can't imagine the world without yourself. We all know humans die and for a fact turn into bones and ash. I dont understand that people are reincarnated, souls live longer, heaven and hell. There is no fire pit, no glorious cloud sanctuary. Now some will day how do you know that. You can sit there and tell me there actually is this? It's a belief that you were told exists. What does believing in heaven or hell gain? I wont know what my sould does after I die and we never will. I am on no way knocking religion or beliefs but after years of catholic school, I just don't get it no matter what religion.

OT debate and flame me if you will..i am looking for good explanations and thoughts not the typical GTFO or STFU because this is something that bugs me..thats all..

If you believe in evolution please exapand. I do think evolution is more accurate but where do humans, the most evolved species on this planet go? Are the more evolved species we don't know, there could be and if you dont think so why not?

[Mr. Blonde Supreme Moderator]

[Echelon]

**Gets Popcorn**

[ginwilly]

hey let's talk about abortion too

[The Precedent]

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[marinersheep This is stupid.]

 

Originally Posted by eagleseye13

I am a realist who believes in proof, see to believe.

You must try harder to see what is real. What you will see, I do not know. But what you see will most certainly change your perception of reality.

[bfactor Server Clogger]

I don't believe in evolution.

I believe in boners.

In rated r full frontal nudity boners I trust. Not in NC-17 ones though. Those movies are illegal. Or maybe not but still. Ya.

[SpankyHamm]

[Jokerluelz]

I drew this but i am to slow to put in a caption this morning .

[cdmalgee]

If you don't believe in evolution, go use some antibiotics from 1965 and see how they work out for ya.

Because of our long life cycle, humans aren't even close to the most evolved species on this earth - that title goes to the Yucca moth, and the California red-backed vole wins in the mammal category.

I don't really understand your question beyond that. Where do humans go? the quick-e-mart?

[mkm44]

OBV ANSWER.....

God created evolution so people could spread the word...

Keeps both sides happy...

[Glo4m Confess to me]

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[OhAaT]

I understand your doubt, since it is extremely difficult to believe in something without proof. I'm sure I have no evidence to convince you towards the religion side of things.

That being said, for myself I completely believe in the Religion belief of creation. I completely understand how difficult it is to believe that some supernatural being created Earth, the Galaxy etc. With that being said I think it's equally difficult to believe that Evolution is the answer. I don't think it's difficult to comprehend that we are evolutionizing and changing or adapting now, that definitely happens. But I think the difficulty comes in where did that all start? How did the Galaxy get here to allow for this evolution to occur?

Whether you believe Evolution or Religion, whichever is right had to suddenly come into existence in the beginning with no real explanation.

My qualm with the religion side, which I guess could be it's own thread is if Religion is correct how do you know which Religion is correct? As for me I believe in the whole Christianity, Jesus dying for our sins, etc....But what about people that are so convicted in the other Religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. Because if you ask me I completely believe that I believe my religion is correct, but I suspect a Buddhist feels the same about his/her religion. What if just having a belief in religion is enough? I don't believe that, but why should someone who is heavily influenced by his/her parents growing up into a certain religion be penalized and sent to an eternity in Hell because their parents were wrong bringing them up.

[cdmalgee]

evolution doesn't have anything to do with how the galaxy got here, and while it seems to fly in the face of most religious text, is not at all a religious question. It is one that can be answered with facts and evidence.

The creation of the universe is completely different and has to do more with physics than basic biology. Science is based on answering questions through observation. We may not have all of the answers, but every day we get closer to them. Religion's stance is based on no evidence. It is stagnant. It is not searching for answers based on what is learned. It feels as though those who answered these questions (the wisest men of their time) were right, and 6000 years worth of observation and technology later can't improve upon that "wisdom". It's assinine.

I hate being that guy, but I couldn't let this one slide. Next time you'd like to use the word "evolutionizing" save yourself some uphill battle in an already ridiculous position and try "evolving". All life on earth is "evolving".

[Glo4m Confess to me]

 

Originally Posted by cdmalgee

I hate being that guy, but I couldn't let this one slide. Next time you'd like to use the word "evolutionizing" save yourself some uphill battle in an already ridiculous position and try "evolving". All life on earth is "evolving".

I was laughing so hard at this I couldn't even formulate a response before you did, lol.

[BAntares]

the creators creation evolved

[sean b]

I'm going with evolution!

[brsavage Spontaneous Benefactor]

Your right, Jesus Christ was/is a fairy tale, glad you were wise enough to sniff it out and call bullshit.

By the way, what date is it?

Last I looked the calendar system the world uses is based on the life of Christ, guess the hoax goes back a long ways.

You sir are all over the map, and as such no one can consider you even seriously enough to debate the merits of Christ, organized religion, evolution, or anything else.

I'm not saying stfu, or gtfo, I'm saying that your thoughts are so haphazard and ill researched that the subjects you brought up are tantamount to discussing quantum physics with someone who hasn't given themself any basic foundation of understanding and then wants to take advanced classes.

For the record, I don't go to church to "go against another race culture" or to hear some "random" person speak.

I go to church to listen to our pastor who has a phd and has studied the Bible intensely and every week we hear sermons about faith, hope, and love and we apply them to our lives while at the same time enjoying a tremendous sense of community.

As far as your theory that the Bible is a fairy tale that was "exaggerated" over time, you do realize the significance of the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

The life of Jesus Christ is well documented, not just by Christian historians, but also by many non-Christian historians, and it is also supported by archeological evidence.

The Bible has manuscript authority for the very reason that it did NOT change over time - the Dead Sea Scrolls predated any known earlier copies of Old Testament chapters by centuries, but were still virtually identical - if it was a "fairy tale" it would certainly have had many variations and changes - which is not the case with the Bible.

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

I don't see how evolution and god are contradictory

[R_U_Nuts]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

I don't see how evolution and god are contradictory

This is what I was thinking.

[emcee21]

Do you dispute that there is a contradiction between the theory of evolution and a literal interpretation of Genesis?

[Spiltbongwater]

I always ask the minister, "in Noahs Ark, what sort of cages did the beavers have to live in"? They could not roam free and chew through the boat could they? Noah must have caged them.

[dxnino]

Somebody or something created this all. I do think there is evolution taking place, but in the end something got this ball rolling.

[s1nnr will stab you]

if there is no evolution, how do you explain this???

[warden]

 

Originally Posted by brsavage

The life of Jesus Christ is well documented, not just by Christian historians, but also by many non-Christian historians, and it is also supported by archeological evidence.

name some of these "many non-Christian historians"

[Mr Galt sister-in-law's a ho]

I have no idea who my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was. I will never know. That doesn't mean that he didn't exist.

[Lord Supremo actually a tuvalu lord (sigh)]

 

Originally Posted by brsavage

The Bible has manuscript authority for the very reason that it did NOT change over time

lol wat

[ ] Gnostic gospels are included in the Bible

[ ] gospels that are included in the Bible appear unedited

[ ] gospels were written down at any point prior to 100 years after Jesus' death

[x] brsavage should read up on the Nicene Council

[EyeKnows]

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

 

Originally Posted by brsavage

The Bible has manuscript authority for the very reason that it did NOT change over time

lol wat

[ ] Gnostic gospels are included in the Bible

[ ] gospels that are included in the Bible appear unedited

[ ] gospels were written down at any point prior to 100 years after Jesus' death

[x] brsavage should read up on the Nicene Council

lol, pwnd sofa king hard.

[warden]

 

Originally Posted by Mr Galt

I have no idea who my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was. I will never know. That doesn't mean that he didn't exist.

one of these is necessary in the causal chain of your existence and the other is not

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

loooool self-level!!??