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Does the truth exist?

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  1. Seykota Seykota is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:50pm)

    How do we know our version is accurate, if so?
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:51pm) in reply to Seykota

    no
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:51pm) in reply to Seykota

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:51pm) in reply to Seykota

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:54pm) in reply to Seykota

    ahhhh grasshoppa ... snatch the pebble from my hand.

    The truth is merely a place in one's mind. Today's truth is tomorrow's falsehood. This is learning and knowledge. Always changing for the most wise and fortunate. Stagnant for fools of the world.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:54pm) in reply to Seykota

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:54pm) in reply to Seykota

    The truth exists because it isn't someone's version. It just is.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:54pm) in reply to Seykota

    Truth is relative to the person, circumstantial to the situation.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:55pm) in reply to Seykota

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  12. Seykota Seykota is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:56pm) in reply to Seykota

    Okay, so would it be accurate to say it's a collection or average of various perspectives and may exist as a range rather than one particular point? Where does this leave the things we don't know about yet?
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:57pm) in reply to Seykota

    yes truth does exist

    people get hung up some times deciding whether the issue at hand is one where there is a truth or where the decision is a matter of taste
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:58pm) in reply to Seykota

    no. it would not.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 7:59pm) in reply to bfactor

     
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:00pm) in reply to Seykota

     
    Originally Posted by Seykota View Post

    Okay, so would it be accurate to say it's a collection or average of various perspectives and may exist as a range rather than one particular point? Where does this leave the things we don't know about yet?

    definitely a collection for me - some things get thrown out as new information enters - sometimes the thrown out things get brought back in or adapted to fit the new - always changing
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:02pm) in reply to saxman

    The other night I was talking with a friend and I said I just want an objective truth. Looking back I don't know why I said that. There's no such thing in my mind. I was kind of surprised that came out of my mouth. This doesn't mean I can't make higher requirements to measure or form my subjective assumptions.

    PS I had also been drinking, so I think this is why I said it.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:05pm) in reply to Seykota

    War is Peace

    Freedom is Slavery

    Ignorance is Strength
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:06pm) in reply to Seykota

    Depends on what you mean by "truth." It is "true" that I saw this thread, opened it, scanned through the responses and then decided to post this reply.

    However, if we're refering to "truths" as in universal moral truths or something similar, then no I don't think so.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:06pm) in reply to Seykota

    Yes...but in the truth lies varying shades of gray some truth is black and white but most is gray
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:07pm) in reply to Seykota

    shit i hope so or else i really fucked up on on my tattoo....
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:07pm) in reply to Seykota

     
    Originally Posted by Seykota View Post

    PS I had also been drinking, so I think this is why I said it.

    When are you not drinking?

    truth
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:08pm) in reply to Lord Supremo

     
    Originally Posted by Lord Supremo View Post

    Depends on what you mean by "truth." It is "true" that I saw this thread, opened it, scanned through the responses and then decided to post this reply.

    However, if we're refering to "truths" as in universal moral truths or something similar, then no I don't think so.

    We're on the somewhat universal, moral side and it had to deal with the pros and cons of the US legal system compared to other legal systems in the world.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:09pm) in reply to Niceguy

    Often, n00b.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:10pm) in reply to Seykota

    Imagine that you are brought up in a very controlling environment. Perhaps raised by a family or in a cult or a closed society that taught you their version of right from wrong (their truth) and they kept you insulated from the real world. But one day you escaped their world and realized that it was all a huge lie. Imagine how devistating that would be.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:13pm) in reply to Seykota

    The truth does not have a version.

    Emotions often prevent us from seeing it, accepting it or in some cases even seeking it.

    However, is your (or our) version accurate? Well, in the manner of how perceptions exist and no matter what the "truth" is that persons perception is reality. I guess in some ways our version is true to ourselves because it is the answer we have accepted.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:14pm) in reply to Seykota

    I'd give an answer but it wouldn't be true. Or would it? Errr.

    (yes. reality is objective and ideas either correspond with that reality (true) or they don't (false). this is axiomatic and not the sort of thing you can debate, for concepts like "debate" and "proof" themselves rest on the notion of objective truth. anything else is philosophical fuckstickery/mental masturbation/massive waste of time, and it's a damn shame that people make a living at it. google reductio ad absurdum.)
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:14pm) in reply to Seykota

    Then no, I don't really think there is any such thing.

    I do think that you can set forward a set of goals that you think are important (or maybe that you think are "true" in some sense) and then you can judge these things as being "better" or "worse" at attaining those goals...for instance if my goal is the avoid punishing the innocent then the US system with its trial by jury, appeals, and presumption of innocence is objectively "better" than say the Saudi Arabian system or the Sudanese system. But you couldn't say that my goals are "true" in any sort of way.
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 8:17pm) in reply to towman1

     
    Originally Posted by towman1 View Post

    Yes...but in the truth lies varying shades of gray some truth is black and white but most is gray

    i agree with this also - some things are set in stone for me but most are not
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