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  1. rebelfd rebelfd is online now

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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 2:34pm)

    New bill just passed in Nevada means online poker without a hitch for those players? Does this open the flood gates for a bill in the US Congress?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...rnet-gambling/
    P5s article, http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...etting-587044/
    call to action, http://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/we...s-time-639192/
    PC thread, http://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/do...etting-654978/
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:08pm) in reply to rebelfd

    Unmerged for the interested OTers who don't venture to the other forums.
     
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:12pm) in reply to Mr. Blonde

    so we can play on stars now?
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:14pm) in reply to bucketorocks

    cliffs?
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:17pm) in reply to Camz

     
    Originally Posted by Camz View Post

    cliffs?

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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:21pm) in reply to AbnormalQ

    meh i just read todd terry's post in the 2+2 thread so i'm not too excited:

    "I don't think this opinion letter is of any significance for online poker. It does not necessarily follow from what is set forth in the letter that the Wire Act doesn't cover online poker. (I happen to think it doesn't FWIW).

    And the Wire Act is not the basis for any criminal charges or civil causes of action in the Black Friday cases in the SDNY. So even if this opinion letter did necessarily apply to online poker, it wouldn't change the DoJ's overall position regarding the illegality of online poker, which is based on statutes other than the Wire Act."

    someone's response to him:

    "Huh? The letter clearly states that the Wire Act legally applies only to sports wagering, contrary to previous court and DOJ conclusions that it applies to all wagering over transmission lines. How does that not mean that the Wire Act doesn't cover online poker?"

    his response:

    "According to the opinion letter (which I read), the entirety of the Wire Act applies to "bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest". The opinion letter doesn't in any way answer the question of whether a poker game is a "sporting event or contest" (it is, IMO) or whether a wager by a participant in a poker game is a "bet or wager" on a "sporting event or contest" (it isn't, IMO). "
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:22pm) in reply to Camz

     
    Originally Posted by Camz View Post

    cliffs?

    to quote Dan in the OP
     
    Originally Posted by Dan View Post

    Big news from the U.S. Department of Justice today that could pave the way for intrastate, or potentially Federal, online poker in 2012:

    This decision essentially green-lights states to open intrastate online poker rooms on their own without Federal permission since it appears overly likely that the DOJ won't intervene. Whether interstate online poker would be permitted isn't clear.

    What I gather is using the UIGEA to seize the two main sites and suspend our funds was unwarranted. Hopefully this opens the door for at least stars to to come back to us. Or perhaps the major casinos to start their own sites
     
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:24pm) in reply to Camz

     
    Originally Posted by Camz View Post

    cliffs?


    We live in Louisiana; we're still screwed.
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:26pm) in reply to rocksolid124

    this is true as well. Didn't even know LA players couldn't play until i tried setting up a carbon poker account last month...i can play on cake poker tho
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:26pm) in reply to AbnormalQ

    Obv there has been a lot of discussion on this site by a lot of people who know more about this that I do, but to me, this has seemed like the course for quite some time now.

    What I mean is, the crony capitalism that got Bush/Frist/et al to fuck with online poker in the first place seemed designed to clear the market. There would be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but eventually, the market would open up, but that time the market would then be clear of established leaders, and the big gaming firms like MGM and co., would then have an open lane to a hugely lucrative new pieces of business.

    Sound strategy by those casino types, but it indicates such a fucking retarded thing about government and politics...

    Over the longest term (i.e. all of human history), the most correct economic and moral logic wins. The problem is that when the system is being suboptimized, how many people suffer unnecessary harm in the shorter term, as the proper logic is working to supplant over time what we are fucking up?

    Like, communism is a massive logical failure. Eventually you run out of other people's money. Yet, how many hundreds of millions of people suffered under the system that otherwise wouldnt have, whilst that system took the time to run its course?
    Edited By: AbnormalQ Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:28 PM
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 10:30pm) in reply to AbnormalQ

    Cliffs?
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    Dec 24th, 2011 (12/24/2011 11:50pm) in reply to SmokeyCasinos

    Online Poker coming to a state near you. If a state makes online poker legal in that state it takes away the U in UIGEA. The only road block, the Wire Act has been cleared with this ruling. Merry Christmas.
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 12:09am) in reply to rebelfd

    So this is on a state to state bases and does that mean players in one state can only play against players of the same state?
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 12:24am) in reply to jay_bear

    State by State poker will suck balls. Eurotards won't be signing up to play on the Florida State online poker site.


    I can see it now: Number of players online = 37.
    Edited By: XquiziVex Dec 25th, 2011 at 02:04 AM
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 12:35am) in reply to XquiziVex

    Agreed and has there been any reaction from any of the sites about this news?
    Edited By: jay_bear Dec 25th, 2011 at 12:36 AM
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 1:56am) in reply to jay_bear

    This ain't nothing to get cited bout namesayin? What did the doj break down stars then if it was cool? Just like you break up wit a dimepiece to be all like shit is cool, that wasn't cheatin and disrespect me even though I bitch slapped ur ass in public. Now what, state by state sites? Shiiiit so I get to play a buncha pill poppers in FLO-rida, but no of dem white ass pasty dumb ass eurotards, namesayin? Shits fucked up and will be fo at least duece mo years, fo real.
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:00am) in reply to Mr323

    dude...
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:02am) in reply to Mr323

     
    Originally Posted by Mr323 View Post

    This ain't nothing to get cited bout namesayin? What did the doj break down stars then if it was cool? Just like you break up wit a dimepiece to be all like shit is cool, that wasn't cheatin and disrespect me even though I bitch slapped ur ass in public. Now what, state by state sites? Shiiiit so I get to play a buncha pill poppers in FLO-rida, but no of dem white ass pasty dumb ass eurotards, namesayin? Shits fucked up and will be fo at least duece mo years, fo real.

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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:06am) in reply to Mr323

     
    Originally Posted by Mr323 View Post

    This ain't nothing to get cited bout namesayin? What did the doj break down stars then if it was cool? Just like you break up wit a dimepiece to be all like shit is cool, that wasn't cheatin and disrespect me even though I bitch slapped ur ass in public. Now what, state by state sites? Shiiiit so I get to play a buncha pill poppers in FLO-rida, but no of dem white ass pasty dumb ass eurotards, namesayin? Shits fucked up and will be fo at least duece mo years, fo real.

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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:08am) in reply to XquiziVex

    Ye, so wat now? You broke down Full Tilt fo bein dat shady nigga, now wat about stars yo? Stars was ur sub, she was all like perfect an shit giving all the money back and sucking the dom doj cock whenever he wanted. Now you gonna give it back? You pistol whipped stars and she never bitched. You said no mo usa players ever and she lick ur ass. Wat da fuck now, stars ain't the problem, doj trifilin ass waffle and shit the problem, namesayin?
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:21am) in reply to Mr323

     
    Originally Posted by Mr323 View Post

    Ye, so wat now? You broke down Full Tilt fo bein dat shady nigga, now wat about stars yo? Stars was ur sub, she was all like perfect an shit giving all the money back and sucking the dom doj cock whenever he wanted. Now you gonna give it back? You pistol whipped stars and she never bitched. You said no mo usa players ever and she lick ur ass. Wat da fuck now, stars ain't the problem, doj trifilin ass waffle and shit the problem, namesayin?

    qfwtf

    is this supposed to be written by the fake ghostface or something?
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:24am) in reply to AnonymousX

    yeah, imatation as flattery, I just finished a 16 hrs double full of redic retard customers, just playin around.
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:28am) in reply to AbnormalQ

     
    Originally Posted by AbnormalQ View Post

    Obv there has been a lot of discussion on this site by a lot of people who know more about this that I do, but to me, this has seemed like the course for quite some time now.

    What I mean is, the crony capitalism that got Bush/Frist/et al to fuck with online poker in the first place seemed designed to clear the market. There would be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but eventually, the market would open up, but that time the market would then be clear of established leaders, and the big gaming firms like MGM and co., would then have an open lane to a hugely lucrative new pieces of business.

    Sound strategy by those casino types, but it indicates such a fucking retarded thing about government and politics...

    Over the longest term (i.e. all of human history), the most correct economic and moral logic wins. The problem is that when the system is being suboptimized, how many people suffer unnecessary harm in the shorter term, as the proper logic is working to supplant over time what we are fucking up?
    rse?


    Aren't most government regulations created to stifle competition for political favorites.
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:30am) in reply to Mr323

     
    Originally Posted by Mr323 View Post

    yeah, imatation as flattery, I just finished a 16 hrs double full of redic retard customers, just playin around.

    fair enough, wasn't sure if you completely lost your mind or were trying to be ghostface-esque
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:35am) in reply to AnonymousX

    16 hrs today up at 5am for another 11hrs on "Christmas", yeah, I've lost my mind long ago.... :) Sometimes it is relaxing to just take on other personas and type like I'm somebody else.

    It was a 100% tribute to Ghostface
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:46am) in reply to Mr323

    lol ok....dude doesn't deserve a tribute. The real Ghostface does, but not that dude..IMO.

    Merry Christmas!
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:52am) in reply to AnonymousX

    Agree....just state of mind....tired....weeeeeeee alarm at 5 am, bleh!
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 2:54am) in reply to Mr323

    .sooooo people who know about this stuff shoot me straight.... when can i depo on stars again?
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 3:24am) in reply to shallowcal

    http://m.lvsun.com/news/2011/dec/23/...e-online-/?hpb
     
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    Dec 25th, 2011 (12/25/2011 3:59pm) in reply to XquiziVex

     
    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    State by State poker will suck balls. Eurotards won't be signing up to play on the Florida State online poker site.

    I can see it now: Number of players online = 37.

    You would be surprised, Here in BC the governement runs a province of british columbia and province of quebec casino/poker website, completely regulated by the government........... between the 2 provinces less than 8 million people and yet the poker traffic is steady, the bad beat just recenelty went off and it was at just over 1 million dollars, on a good day can get over 2k to 3k people online at once.. yes this is nothing in comparison to stars but considering less than 10 players know what they are doing its quite lucrative :)
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