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I'm in a 10 team PPR, IDP league at work that has very favorable scoring for QBs. I did a little research with 2010 stats and Peyton Manning would've scored 551 for the season with this scoring. For comparison Arian Foster would've scored 432.
With QBs so heavily weighted it dynamically changes the draft order no? We start only 1 QB, but I'm seriously thinking about trying to grab 2 of Rodgers, Brees, Vick, Manning, Brady, Romo, Rivers. I know I'm going to sacrifice probably at RB because of this. The second QB would be mostly for trade bait.
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Don't take 2 QBs early, just grab one of the top ones, you are only in a 10 teamer, if you get 2 of the top 5 QBs one is just going to sit on your bench and it will waste a good RB or WR you could have.
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what'd you mean the scoring is relative? standard scoring had Arian Foster scoring the most in 2010. This scoring Manning beat him by 100+ pts.Originally Posted by Paki_Poker
I might up my QBs, but I wouldn't spend an early 1st round pick on a QB. The scoring's still relative, and you can get an elite QB in round 2 or 3.
1-10 how high would you draft a QB. I almost think 1 is still in play.
Foster actually only posted the 6th highest point total. 5 QBs ranked ahead of him and 9/10 league's top scorers were QBs including Eli, Schaub, & Matty Ice. -
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No need to waste another top pic on a QB. Your never going to start your second QB anyway if you grab one of the elite guys with your first pic.
Edited By: Jaybone2315 Aug 6th, 2011 at 04:31 PM
Its almost pointless to even waste a pick at all on a second QB. -
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ok, so only go with 1 QB.
but doesn't the scoring mean that even if I draft first i go QB? -
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Not necessarily... can you give me the top 10 scoring QBs/WRs/RB from last year and what their final point values were...? With that I can help you more. Also you will want a 2nd QB but just wait til round 8-9 to grab a serviceable backup unless someone falls really bad or something.Originally Posted by LDM
ok, so only go with 1 QB.
but doesn't the scoring mean that even if I draft first i go QB? -
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Depends on your draft spot and who goes ahead of you. If you dont get one of the top 6, dont waste your top few picks on someone like Romo, Schaub, ect. Just got with some top RBs, WRs, and pick up someone like Big Ben or Flacco in a later round.Originally Posted by LDM
ok, so only go with 1 QB.
but doesn't the scoring mean that even if I draft first i go QB?
fwiw, you should take my advice. I am in a QB heavy league and made the SB the last two years.
Just to give you an idea, i went and looked up out stats from last year. Out of the top 23 Scorers in the league, 21 of them were QB's. Arain Foster was ranked 11th and AP was ranked 22nd. -
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Edited By: LDM Aug 6th, 2011 at 04:54 PMTop Ten Overall scorers:Originally Posted by BigEarn7
Not necessarily... can you give me the top 10 scoring QBs/WRs/RB from last year and what their final point values were...? With that I can help you more. Also you will want a 2nd QB but just wait til round 8-9 to grab a serviceable backup unless someone falls really bad or something.
Manning 551
Brees 514
Brady 477
Rodgers 446
Rivers 443
Foster 432
Schaub 388
Ryan 379
Manning 371
Vick 365
top 10 RBs
Foster 432
McCoy 301
AD 298
CJ 296
Hillis 294
Charles 294
DMC 283
Rice 280
Forte 275
MJD 257
top 10 WRs
White 346
Lloyd 321
Bowe 311
Wayne 307
Jennings 298
A Johnson 285
C Johnson 284
Wallace 276
Harvin 274 (Return yards count)
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Ya with those numbers you pretty much want Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Rivers in that order IMO. Not sold on Manning this year. Why is he so high in points compared to the other QBs?
What pick do you have? Either way, I go QB first overall pick and then grab top RB on the way back. -
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because of bonuses I think, but I'm not even sure. there are yard bonuses, long pass bonuses, etc. etc.
I don't have a draft position yet, but i think my league will be clueless to how heavily this is waited. I think as long as I pick 7 or higher I could get rodgers.
Should I leave shit the way it is or try and point out to everyone how skewed this is and try to get closer to normal scoring? -
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Edited By: Jaybone2315 Aug 6th, 2011 at 05:06 PMMy league is always like this. Even tho we are so QB heavy, these guys always draft normal. It helps me out. I ended up getting Brady in the 2nd round last year and he turned out to be the top scorer in our league.Originally Posted by LDM
because of bonuses I think, but I'm not even sure. there are yard bonuses, long pass bonuses, etc. etc.
I don't have a draft position yet, but i think my league will be clueless to how heavily this is waited. I think as long as I pick 7 or higher I could get rodgers.
Should I leave shit the way it is or try and point out to everyone how skewed this is and try to get closer to normal scoring?
But this year... no matter what, im taking Vick in the first round if he is available. -
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No reason to point anything out when you can adapt and others surely won't. Getting a top 5-6 QB is a must to really doing anything in this league. Waiting to grab a Ryan,Eli type is spotting your opponent with a top QB an average of 8-12 pts a week.Originally Posted by LDM
because of bonuses I think, but I'm not even sure. there are yard bonuses, long pass bonuses, etc. etc.
I don't have a draft position yet, but i think my league will be clueless to how heavily this is waited. I think as long as I pick 7 or higher I could get rodgers.
Should I leave shit the way it is or try and point out to everyone how skewed this is and try to get closer to normal scoring? -
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Picks 1-4 - QB/RB/WR/RB/QB - get an elite QB and then best available RB, should still be a top 5 WR in round 3, and since you went low with first RB you have to go high with 2nd RB
Edited By: SpankyHamm Aug 6th, 2011 at 05:11 PM
Picks 5-8 - QB/RB/QB/WR/RB - If the first few picks are the elite QBs, you need to grab best available and then back that up with top 11-13 QB in round 3.
Picks 9-10 - RB/QB/WR/RB/QB - If people are picking up QB's early, you can fin a top 3 RB in this position, but then follow up with QB and try to get a great WR in 3rd round. I would then go RB in 4th since that will probably be your strength (go deep with your strength allows you to do trades with those weak at RB).
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What I mean by relative, is it's relative to it's position. Meaning, that while QB's are your highest scorers, doesn't mean you have to draft a QB first. All QB's play by the same scoring. The drop off from elite to good isn't as big for QB's as it is for RB/WR. Case and point...Foster puts up 432 points. The next best RB is a whopping 130 points less. So if you have the first pick, you easily take Foster.
Originally Posted by LDM
what'd you mean the scoring is relative? standard scoring had Arian Foster scoring the most in 2010. This scoring Manning beat him by 100+ pts.
1-10 how high would you draft a QB. I almost think 1 is still in play.
Foster actually only posted the 6th highest point total. 5 QBs ranked ahead of him and 9/10 league's top scorers were QBs including Eli, Schaub, & Matty Ice.
Like you mentioned, 9/10 top scores were QB's....so technically speaking, if you hold off on drafting a QB, you can still get a top 10 scorer in Round 4-6, and use Rounds 1-3 to add quality RB's and WR's.
The drop off on another positions would be much greater than QB.
Hopefully that makes sense... -
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qbs that should go in the first round include vick, rodgers, rivers and brady. unless you can get one of those guys in the first round just go rb/qb/rb/wr
you might be able to get a good qb like schaub, ryan or freeman in the third if you want to go rb/wr/qb/rb
most important is to watch how many qbs go if you dont get someone you want in the first two rounds because you might get lucky and get to wait patiently for a bigben, romo, or cassel
there will be plenty of talent left in the latest rounds for you to get a 2nd qb. personally i dont draft a second qb and just pick one up in FA when i need one but this scoring is different then ive ever played -
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Edited By: JRoth15 Aug 6th, 2011 at 05:25 PMThis is an excellent post...and the reason a lot of people suck at fantasy sports.Originally Posted by Paki_Poker
What I mean by relative, is it's relative to it's position. Meaning, that while QB's are your highest scorers, doesn't mean you have to draft a QB first. All QB's play by the same scoring. The drop off from elite to good isn't as big for QB's as it is for RB/WR. Case and point...Foster puts up 432 points. The next best RB is a whopping 130 points less. So if you have the first pick, you easily take Foster.
Like you mentioned, 9/10 top scores were QB's....so technically speaking, if you hold off on drafting a QB, you can still get a top 10 scorer in Round 4-6, and use Rounds 1-3 to add quality RB's and WR's.
The drop off on another positions would be much greater than QB.
Hopefully that makes sense...
The gap of 131 points between Foster and McCoy is so much more significant than the ~30-50 point gap between Manning and Rodgers/Rivers/Brady/Brees/possibly Vick. Basically, if you think you have any shot of getting one of those 4/5 in the 2nd round, draft a top RB or WR (Andre Johnson is going to have a massive year). If you don't have a shot at one of those 4/5 in the 2nd round, take one with your top pick.
EDIT--And definitely don't grab a 2nd QB...trade bait is vastly overrated in fantasy sports. You'll never get as much as you think you should. -
Not sure about "spotting 8-12 points"
Originally Posted by BigEarn7
No reason to point anything out when you can adapt and others surely won't. Getting a top 5-6 QB is a must to really doing anything in this league. Waiting to grab a Ryan,Eli type is spotting your opponent with a top QB an average of 8-12 pts a week.
If your RB1, RB2 and WR1 are better than you opponents, because you didn't fall into the QB trap, than 8-12 points gained on QB is not as big as the points you will make up from others. -
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In a standard PPR with QB TDs at 4pts... The difference between the 2nd QB (Throwing Manning in this format out since I am tossing out Foster) and 10th last year was 60points. In this format the difference between 2nd QB and 10th is almost 150 points.
Edited By: BigEarn7 Aug 6th, 2011 at 05:38 PM
Foster had a freak year, and one could argue he will do it again however I am basically throwing out his crazy numbers because I believe he will regress. Either way, if you want to take him #1 overall I will not argue. That being said, the RBs in this league play very similar to a PPR in that the difference between 2 and 10 is 40 points, in a standard PPR it is bascially the same.
My point is that QB is a HUGE deal in this league. Grabbing an elite QB is clearly are the path the victory, everything from there on out should play out rather standard. -
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10 team league.
vick, brady, manning, rogers, rivers, romo, shaub, rapelithsberger, flacco, casssel, freeman
as long as you take a qb around round 7 your sure to get one of these guys. scoring is all relative like paki suggested. dont corner yourself in by inking in your first pick as a qb. pick wichever qb falls, one will ( i meant to round 4 or 5 or so). the key is always finishing the run of qbs, not starting it. -
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Edited By: BigEarn7 Aug 6th, 2011 at 06:17 PMMaybe you should actually read the thread before giving us the beginners guide to fantasy football drafting. The scoring is totally swayed in the QB direction which makes owning a top 1-3 QB way more valuable than any other position in this league.Originally Posted by Bigblind Popper
10 team league.
vick, brady, manning, rogers, rivers, romo, shaub, rapelithsberger, flacco, casssel, freeman
as long as you take a qb around round 7 your sure to get one of these guys. scoring is all relative like paki suggested. dont corner yourself in by inking in your first pick as a qb. pick wichever qb falls, one will ( i meant to round 4 or 5 or so). the key is always finishing the run of qbs, not starting it. -
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Those are some huge qb differentials...Manning 551
Brees 514
Brady 477
Rodgers 446
Rivers 443
Foster 432
Schaub 388
Ryan 379
Manning 371
Vick 365
top 10 RBs
Foster 432
McCoy 301
AD 298
CJ 296
Hillis 294
Charles 294
DMC 283
Rice 280
Forte 275
MJD 257
How is Vick so low compared to Peyton???
Looking at these scoring drafting a elite qb 1st round is a must.... -
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Edited By: BigEarn7 Aug 6th, 2011 at 06:28 PMVick only played in 12 games otherwise he would be up in that top tier. Manning is so high OP said because of yardage bonuses and such.Originally Posted by Jack0fallTrades
Those are some huge qb differentials...Manning 551
Brees 514
Brady 477
Rodgers 446
Rivers 443
Foster 432
Schaub 388
Ryan 379
Manning 371
Vick 365
top 10 RBs
Foster 432
McCoy 301
AD 298
CJ 296
Hillis 294
Charles 294
DMC 283
Rice 280
Forte 275
MJD 257
How is Vick so low compared to Peyton???
Looking at these scoring drafting a elite qb 1st round is a must.... -
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um ok. i read it, and ive been running a league for ten years that favors qb's. maybe you should actually read my post before you critisize it. " Scoring is relative" Joe fucking flacco is also gonna outscore every rb, but you could get him in round 7 in a ten man league. also, you start only 1 qb to 2 or 3 rb's. so like i said, its all relative. take the qb te drops. you will still get a good qb in the middle rounds.Originally Posted by BigEarn7
Maybe you should actually read the thread before giving us the beginners guide to fantasy football drafting. The scoring is totally swayed in the QB direction which makes owning a top 1-3 QB way more valuable than any other position in this league.
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No it isn't all relative, that was the whole point of my posts and the others in here. The gap between a top QB and mid tier QBs is way bigger than those of the other positions therefore making a top QB a necessity.Originally Posted by Bigblind Popper
um ok. i read it, and ive been running a league for ten years that favors qb's. maybe you should actually read my post before you critisize it. " Scoring is relative" Joe fucking flacco is also gonna outscore every rb, but you could get him in round 7 in a ten man league. also, you start only 1 qb to 2 or 3 rb's. so like i said, its all relative. take the qb te drops. you will still get a good qb in the middle rounds.
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BigEarn's argument is some-what valid, although we have to look beyond the top 10 for the drop-off, especially in RB/WR positions.
I think getting an elite QB in this format is more important than a standard league, but I still wouldn't spend an early 1st rounder on one. More likely a 2nd-3rd if the right QB is there. Otherwise, getting a few mid-tier QBs and playing the match-ups isn't a terrible strategy. -
Alot of the advice in this thread is helping me out. My league is similar to the op's in that 8 out of the top 10 scorers last year were qbs. Foster and Peterson being the two exceptions. I have the 11th pick in a 16 team league( yeah i know, 16 teams is too fucking much, but whatever). Im kinda torn on whether to grab an elite qb with my first and then fill out my rb/wr slots later or go with a 2nd tier rb with my first and hope a decent qb slides. FYI, in my league, last year the difference between Chris Johnson and Matt Forte was only 1.8ppg.
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Most leagues will have QBs as the top scorers however his league just favors the elite QBs more than QBs in general, that way you want to have a top one.Originally Posted by Dsprin8171
Alot of the advice in this thread is helping me out. My league is similar to the op's in that 8 out of the top 10 scorers last year were qbs. Foster and Peterson being the two exceptions. I have the 11th pick in a 16 team league( yeah i know, 16 teams is too fucking much, but whatever). Im kinda torn on whether to grab an elite qb with my first and then fill out my rb/wr slots later or go with a 2nd tier rb with my first and hope a decent qb slides. FYI, in my league, last year the difference between Chris Johnson and Matt Forte was only 1.8ppg.
In your league you should just go RB/RB or RB/WR, leave the QB to later because I am sure there isn't such a huge gap like in OPs league.
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