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Im talking completely physically, idc to get into a moral debate.
I just know that what my public school health class taught me is definitely a skewed bs view imposed by the government, also on the other hand what other 21 year olds tell me is obviously skewed for different reasons.
These are pretty popular drugs these days in college and the young crowd is all about them being relatively harmless so im looking for people with experience first or second hand that have actual reasoning other than wishful thinking. What are some opinions.
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lol 'molly' - is it a drug or a fuckin pet rabbit?
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fucking E man. Ecstasy its what the hipsters call it these days
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Have you ever met somebody who has done a lot of acid or mdma?
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You never have a clue what you are actually putting into your body. Ive never taken molly but I used to trip like nobodies business and I can 100% tell you it did lead to some minor back weirdness (Random tightness and weird cracking patterns.)
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O Molly is E?
Well, it always made me feel like I got hit by a cruise ship the next day but some other people didnt get that hangover.
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Molly is supposed to be pure MDMA. E is cut with other shitOriginally Posted by Pker4Dummies
O Molly is E?
Well, it always made me feel like I got hit by a cruise ship the next day but some other people didnt get that hangover.
Worst next day out of any drug AINEC.
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as far as i understand its the purest form of ecstasyOriginally Posted by Pker4Dummies
O Molly is E?
Well, it always made me feel like I got hit by a cruise ship the next day but some other people didnt get that hangover.
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Yeah, I know it's the pure version MDA or some shit - just think molly sounds hella gay.Originally Posted by tb4rizzl
fucking E man. Ecstasy its what the hipsters call it these days
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http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kitsOriginally Posted by Unforseen
I love how EDM people defend molly. I always asked how their source for 'pure' MDMA is and how they know the difference.
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everything is bad for you, drugs are just fucking awesome too
To answer the question I think you're asking, they're not nearly as bad for you as people who are scared of them will lead you to believe. I'd put a few trips I've had on my top 10 life experiences so far, if I knocked off a few brain cells and a couple months off the end of my life I have no qualms. -
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same with everything. in moderation, probably not. but most people abuse the shit becasue its too allsum
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Not many people abuse lsd with any regularity, thats one drug tends to police itself.
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Cigarettes and alcohol are brutally bad and account for an absurdly high percentage of yearly deaths but hey, the government can make a ton of money off of them by taxing them, and add chemicals as well. What do you mean your father died of lung cancer and your mother died of cirrhosis? We don't care, we just want your money! That being said, I don't speak for 100% of illegal drugs when I say this but shit, I'd rather take an illegal drug than the drug they advertise on commercials during the nightly evening news that is supposed to lower your cholesterol but actually increases the chances of a heart attack by 40%...
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Not a scientist, or a user of anything beyond really good Vodkas, but it seems to me that ingesting any substance over a long period of time will have an effect of some sort on the body. By extension, the heavier the usage, the greater the effect, for good or ill.
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Pretty much this. Never got done tripping for 8 hours saying holy shit I need to do tha again ASAP. I mean there was a summer I did way too much acid but rarely more than once a week. Summer of seeing dead shows so there were times where I tripped a couple times in a week but not often. Body just can't handle it.
Originally Posted by gamblingfun
Not many people abuse lsd with any regularity, thats one drug tends to police itself.
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I don't know any physiological facts but just from experience/recovery I'd say getting drunk 3+ times per month is much worse for you than rolling once or twice. People defend Molly because it's fucking awesome and has very little downside. Try to find someone who's ever gotten in a fight or driven a car into a wall on Molly. Or try to find someone who's a Molly "junkie."
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Chronic use of MDMA is a contributor heartbeat irregularities and to sleep apnea. Recreational or infrequent use does not. But really OP, you should do some drugs.
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research LSD on the net and its effects. Read the wikipedia page. LSD is probably the safest "drug" out there. 1000x more safe then ecstacy and non habit forming. LSD does have a huge stigma associated with it and alot of misinformation due to propaganda attacks in the 70s/80s, so alot of people that were around in that era will have these stigmas associated with it, which you can see in some of these responses, like zepps.
Edited By: Gotskillz Aug 27th, 2012 at 01:42 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide
"There have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose.[47] It is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting physiological effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism." -
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not to mention that it's the most fun a person can have in their lifetime.
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I used to know many "molly" junkies around this area who did it very excessively, we called them "E-tards". Literally every night they would do it for weeks.Originally Posted by setherson2
I don't know any physiological facts but just from experience/recovery I'd say getting drunk 3+ times per month is much worse for you than rolling once or twice. People defend Molly because it's fucking awesome and has very little downside. Try to find someone who's ever gotten in a fight or driven a car into a wall on Molly. Or try to find someone who's a Molly "junkie."
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Ive been clean for 12 years this december. Didnt fuck with acid much but def ran a few too many years on E and MDMA, coke, K and I dunno, I feel like i would want to answer yes to the question of it physically or mentally fucking around with you. My attention span is super short, get wicked bouts of panic attacks every couple years that lead to me going on celexa to get back on track. I did a 60 day program in the winter of 2000.2001 and from a medical standpoint there are assumptions that the overuse of dopamine in the brain can be a reason for this occuring now. Because E and MDMA are relatively new there arent a ton of studies on the long term effects. It is said that it may trigger early onset parkinsons but that is not proven as there arent enough cases to make it so. That said I wasn't a casual user, and I always would crush my pills and snort them. I doubt there are a ton of long term physical or mental issues if you are cranking out on molly or e and listening to an ol diesel boy album every once and a while. however, dont go my root and just get ranged out and sit on the couch hit bongs chug GnT's and snort as much as you can in order to set the worlds high score on tony hawks pro skater 1 warehouse level. Although unproven I believe myself to be in the top ten to this day. Fuck first year university was a blast. I would say I function at like a 85% percent version of what I assume I should be doing.
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Haven't done either one in a long time, but I did my share back in the day. I generally recommend against tripping - even though I had a lot of fun, the risk of having a bad experience is too high to make it worth it. Rolling is fun in moderation, one of the biggest downsides is the hangover/depression afterwards. There are things you can do to mitigate this effect. In all cases, good judgement is necessary - or be the type of person who runs hot and never has anything bad happen to them.
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