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Sounds to me like I didn't misread you.Originally Posted by jesterwords
Umm, hello?Originally Posted by marinersheep
Then blame the wife, too. It's just as much her fault for marrying him and choosing to have a child.
By your logic, no one in the military should start a family.
This thread tilts me.
You totally misread me, although I don't care one bit. He's an idiot imo but really it doesn't matter one way or another. Although, I am sure that when his daughter gets older she will wonder why the fuck did she have to grow up without a daddy b/c he was jumping off of cliffs.
Have some kids. Then come back to me and tell me what risks you are willing to take with your life outside of the normal daily living.
Good for him. It was his job. He chose to take it to the extreme when he could still have made mad cash by toning it down and still doing what he liked to do for a living.
His choice, his choice, not his wife, not his kid, his choice ended up killing him.
You wouldn't join the military and start a family. Your logic is that "I wouldn't be in the military in the first place if I wanted a family" Amirite? -
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BASE jumping provides nothing to anybody else. (maybe somebody watching will get enjoyment, but thats not the motive of the BASE jumper)
Dangerous jobs provide SERVICES to people. I feel bad when these guys die.
I don't feel bad when these extreme athletes die. I am shocked at times, but I don't feel bad for them at all. -
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^^^^^ BINGO...you just hit the nail on the head mariner
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No, I didn't say that, and I am not going to elaborate anymore.
Originally Posted by marinersheep
You wouldn't join the military and start a family.
Have some kids, come back to me, tell me how you feel.
The military is not in this discussion for me. It is a different beast all together. -
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Then what are you saying, Jester?Originally Posted by jesterwords
No, I didn't say that, and I am not going to elaborate anymore.Originally Posted by marinersheep
You wouldn't join the military and start a family.
Have some kids, come back to me, tell me how you feel.
I don't understand. Your whole point is that his daughter will grow up without a daddy.
I don't get your point. -
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Let's go about this a different way.
Where is the line for risky behavior/occupations for those with children??
Which one just passes the line for what a parent should or should not be doing? -
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I soooooooo agree graps. It's hard to feel sorry for people who put their life in danger everyday in a act that is not heroic and die as a result. Take for instance the heroin junkie. Let's say he is a model citizen and does everything by the book. I would definitely not feel sorry for him when he OD's. Much like the base jumper, when it comes down to it they are in it for the thrill...Originally Posted by grapsfan
When you tempt fate every day, shit like this happens.
I'm having a really tough time thinking that doing this to your family is OK. His parents, siblings, wife, whomever...had to expect to hear terrible news every time the phone rang. Every single time. Meanwhile, the prick is just out there chasing the next adrenaline rush.
Someone help me understand how this isn't the most selfish human being on the planet...or was. -
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There is no line.Originally Posted by aholthaus33
Let's go about this a different way.
Where is the line for risky behavior/occupations for those with children??
Which one just passes the line for what a parent should or should not be doing?
No matter the profession, when you decide to have kids while working a death-defying job, you're entering the risk of the kid growing up without that parent.
Whether they're in the military, police, fire department, NASCAR, fishing or BASE jumping, it doesn't matter one bit. They all pose the same risk for the FAMILY. It doesn't matter HOW they put their life at risk; it's still at risk! -
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watOriginally Posted by Cubswin2
I soooooooo agree graps. It's hard to feel sorry for people who put their life in danger everyday in a act that is not heroic and die as a result. Take for instance the heroin junkie. Let's say he is a model citizen and does everything by the book. I would definitely not feel sorry for him when he OD's. Much like the base jumper, when it comes down to it they are in it for the thrill...
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The heroin junkie makes his/her living off of doing heroin?Originally Posted by Cubswin2
I soooooooo agree graps. It's hard to feel sorry for people who put their life in danger everyday in a act that is not heroic and die as a result. Take for instance the heroin junkie. Let's say he is a model citizen and does everything by the book. I would definitely not feel sorry for him when he OD's. Much like the base jumper, when it comes down to it they are in it for the thrill...Originally Posted by grapsfan
When you tempt fate every day, shit like this happens.
I'm having a really tough time thinking that doing this to your family is OK. His parents, siblings, wife, whomever...had to expect to hear terrible news every time the phone rang. Every single time. Meanwhile, the prick is just out there chasing the next adrenaline rush.
Someone help me understand how this isn't the most selfish human being on the planet...or was. -
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With Mariner & Curtass asking about the military...I basically agree with jester, but this is an opportunity to approach my point from a new perspective.
I wish I knew actuarial tables...some way of showing the extra risk a profession carries....
Yes, the military brings extra risk as opposed to most civilian occupations. But unless you're a fighter pilot or maybe a demo guy or something similar, the risk isn't THAT much.
What Shane McConkey chose to do for a living carried FAR greater risk than being in the Army...or fishing on a crab boat...or logging...or pretty much anything you could think of.
Yes, he was doing what he loved when he died. That's great. I hope his family takes solace in the thought, because it's what they have left. -
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This is laughable and it shows/tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly need to put down the TV remote and stop watching TV.(I take it u got this train of thought from watching movies)Originally Posted by grapsfan
Yes, the military brings extra risk as opposed to most civilian occupations. But unless you're a fighter pilot or maybe a demo guy or something similar, the risk isn't THAT much.
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I love the fake exasperation in the typing.
and I give up on this topic...
As long as anyone can do whatever they wish to do as their job, there will be people (with kids) who choose professions that increase their risk of death.
If you choose a job where mistakes lead to death, and the margin for error is oh >< and then you die because of that choice... leaving behind a 3 year old child... you made a bad choice in my opinion. ITS AN OPINION.
In my opinion, this guy made a bad choice, and it killed him.
If you do not like my opinion, I am not sorry, but I also understand the opposing view. I just disagree with it. -
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RIP
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so military, police, fire, nascar, fishing and base jumping are all past the line.............Originally Posted by marinersheep
There is no line.Originally Posted by aholthaus33
Let's go about this a different way.
Where is the line for risky behavior/occupations for those with children??
Which one just passes the line for what a parent should or should not be doing?
No matter the profession, when you decide to have kids while working a death-defying job, you're entering the risk of the kid growing up without that parent.
Whether they're in the military, police, fire department, NASCAR, fishing or BASE jumping, it doesn't matter one bit. They all pose the same risk for the FAMILY. It doesn't matter HOW they put their life at risk; it's still at risk!
im assuming that you feel being an architect, teacher, lawyer or doctor are on the other side of the line? if people have the opinion that base jumping (which is one of the riskier things you can do with your body) is too risky to do with children but being a teacher is not then at some point along the scale of occupations is the line that parents should not cross, at least according to some, right? -
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he says no line so none of the things you listed are "past the line"Originally Posted by aholthaus33
so military, police, fire, nascar, fishing and base jumping are all past the line.............Originally Posted by marinersheep
There is no line.Originally Posted by aholthaus33
Let's go about this a different way.
Where is the line for risky behavior/occupations for those with children??
Which one just passes the line for what a parent should or should not be doing?
No matter the profession, when you decide to have kids while working a death-defying job, you're entering the risk of the kid growing up without that parent.
Whether they're in the military, police, fire department, NASCAR, fishing or BASE jumping, it doesn't matter one bit. They all pose the same risk for the FAMILY. It doesn't matter HOW they put their life at risk; it's still at risk!
im assuming that you feel being an architect, teacher, lawyer or doctor are on the other side of the line? if people have the opinion that base jumping (which is one of the riskier things you can do with your body) is too risky to do with children but being a teacher is not then at some point along the scale of occupations is the line that parents should not cross, at least according to some, right?
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i saw what he wrote, he then went against what he wrote by stating occupations that he feels are too risky for someone with children to do.
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He got everyones attention by doing something dangerous - risking his life. Yes, it was his stupids wife fault for marrying him, she does not deserve welfare. She could have married a librarian but chose him. Those deadliest catch boats could be made a lot safer. Maybe the federal govenment should require every boat maintain a $20 million insurance policy on the crab fisherman and you will see deaths drop to zero.
Recreational fishing is supposedly one of the most dangerous pastimes. I have to admit I have had close calls about 5 times.
Being in the military or police officer is completely different as the danger in the job is mandatory. I would think being a doctor could be very dangerous as you could get diseases.
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<span>Some people here need to open their tiny little minds a little.
The guy did over 700 jumps, he knew his profession inside out. He was a professional. This was an accident and if he knew he was going to die that day he would not have jumped.
He was doing something he loved, living his life and providing for his family, all through BASE jumping.
He didnt plan to die that day.
I assume he took all precautions he possibly could and he got into trouble in the jump and couldnt fix it.
People who have done some extreme sports and felt what he felt when he was jumping all them times can understand why he was doing it.
And if you havent felt that then your wasting your time trying to understand.
His wife knew who she was marrying and what he did for a living.
I imagine they talked about it plenty.
I have nothing but respect for these guys and graps i think you are a pathetic fuckin waste of oxegen for calling him a prick.
My condolensces to his family and Shane RIP.. I know you'll be watching over your family.</span> -
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HAHAHAHAHA and laugh at everyone who thinks there is soooooooo much extra risk in BASE jumping....There has been less than 200 BASE jumping fatalties world wide since 1981..so the % of total jumps since 1981 to fatalties is fairly lower compared to what u might think
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Its funny that you try to quell the argument for the other side with this post.
I can probably (I'm feeling too lazy to look it up now) find stats that will tell you that Driving is more dangerous than base jumping. But, then again, more people do it, so more ppl will die from doing it.
It does not replace the fact, for me, that the margin of error is basically zero for that profession. If a mistake occurs during a jump, you are probably going to die. That seals it for me because of my responsibility to my children not to die.
I am sure he was great at base jumping. My only real issue is that he could have done something else where the margin of error was a bit larger than basically zero.
It is truly a shame. I still, in my own life, cannot justify putting myself into such a small margin of error situation. My kids are depending on my being there for them as they get older, but again, that is my life. No one else has to live it.
For me, my goal of being there for my kids as they grow supersedes any desire to do things that I figure the margin of error to decide my death is too small to take the risk.
Obviously, Shane and I did not see the world through the same glasses. -
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WTF @ "he should be in an office?" Do you actually think he'd change his life and have held an office job even if he knew he'd die BASE jumping? Who the hell are you to tell someone what they should be doing with their life.Originally Posted by TheDude12424
This is very sad, he's definitely young I think - you can never tell. sometimes these guys are like 45 but just dress like 15 year olds.
But come on, this dude should be in an office, not just jumping off of high stuff.
why is base in caps like BASE? does it stand for something? i didn't know it was acronymn. -
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The thing is Jester, you don't know if you are going to be there for your kids. You can say you would like too but maybe fate has something else in store for you. I mean for people who believe in Fate then when it's your turn to go then it's your turn to go, Whether your Base Jumping, have a heart attack, shark attack, car accident, plane crash or anything else. Some people truely believe if it's your time to go then death will find you regardless of what you are doing.
Personally I don't believe in Fate though -
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Everyone who is a USC fan is a fucking idiot
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Stop the bickering and have some respect. RIP
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I do not believe in fate.
I believe that when my time comes, it will come, but more importantly. I will not put myself into positions where I may accelerate my demise.
I can have one of the resident police officers pull up my driving record to prove my point. I am not, by any means, a slow driver... and yet, I have not had a ticket or been pulled over in over 10 years. I have never been in an accident outside of a parking lot (ppl like to hit me in parking lots for some reason).
So, now, since driving is the #1 killer of ppl my age, it is interesting that my record is so clear. Perhaps that has to do with how I drive? Perhaps I leave enough space between myself and other drivers in case the shit hits the fan. Perhaps I am thinking the whole time that I could die at any second because of some other idiot on the road.
I have avoided, by hand count, 8 different accidents that prolly would have killed me because I was aware of all aspects of the road, as well as, leaving myself enough space to react to the differnet situations. I have control over minizing the risk involved in the act.
You certainly can reduce the odds of dying by cutting out certain activities. Does that mean that I won't kick the bucket? Nope, not at all. Although, I am also not doing anything to increase the risk of me kicking the bucket in the mean time.
Risk eventually bites everyone in the ass. Why increase the odds by reducing your margin for error?
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