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  1. AmSlim22 AmSlim22 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:13am)

    have been thinking of posting on this for awhile, but never got around to it.

    i have thought for a long time that the education system in our country needs to change. and it seems like most teachers i have met feel the same way. most teachers i have talked to all seem frustrated with the restrictions the system puts on them.

    i have often been told i should go into teaching and my response is always the same, i could never work in a school system, it would clash way too much with how i believe kids should be taught. i actually do consider myself a teacher, i train soccer teams, and find this very rewarding.

    i came across this video, and this guy does a much better job of saying how i have felt for a while, i think it is def worth looking at.

    i don't know how to embed http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/k...reativity.html

    (btw a lot of great content on this site)
     
  2. Mr. Smith Mr. Smith is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:26am) in reply to AmSlim22

    PM HelenRNurse or tekiller for all education related questions
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:26am) in reply to Mr. Smith

    lol how did i become the education guru?
  4. AmSlim22 AmSlim22 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:29am) in reply to tekiller

    that video was really worth watching, just finished it.
     
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  5. Mr. Smith Mr. Smith is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:33am) in reply to tekiller

     
    Originally Posted by tekiller View Post

    lol how did i become the education guru?

    Dooooooooooood, wtf are you doing here?? You should be doin work at the local 24hr branch of the public library. Public library >>> any mofo college and shit
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:34am) in reply to Mr. Smith

    I thunk you splet it wrung

    anit it edumacation !
  7. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:34am) in reply to AmSlim22

    Really really really really awesome vid.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:42am) in reply to Mr. Smith

    o lol wp, just got done, very good vid.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 1:44am) in reply to Mr. Smith

     
    Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post

    PM HelenRNurse or tekiller for all education related questions

    pm the Hindi caste system, lool gg social mobility.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 2:21am) in reply to rp8289a

    good video, long but worth it.
  11. kokonotz kokonotz is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 2:31am) in reply to Mr. Smith

    PM Mr.Smith for how to become a very educated and intelligent person.

    **Note that this intelligence/education is not guaranteed to be displayed in any comments that you may or may not make.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 2:42am) in reply to kokonotz

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post

    PM Mr.Smith for how to become a very educated and intelligent person.

    **Note that this intelligence/education is not guaranteed to be displayed in any comments that you may or may not make.

    Orrrrrr... it's displayed but unfortunately operates at a few levels above some people's head.
  13. kokonotz kokonotz is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 2:51am) in reply to AmSlim22

    This is a great video. Both my parents are teachers or higher ups in public education here in Scotland (so the system is different from the US).

    Fwiw, i watch TED quite a lot and it's a great website.

    The public education system of a 'one size fits all' mentality deserves some severe revision. I'd love to see more choice available to participants.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 2:57am) in reply to kokonotz

    this may be my new favorite website. Did anyone see the talk on aging
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 10:55am) in reply to Customflip

    yea i found this site few days ago and have been watching a ton of videos since..
     
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  16. AmSlim22 AmSlim22 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 10:59am) in reply to kokonotz

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post

    This is a great video. Both my parents are teachers or higher ups in public education here in Scotland (so the system is different from the US).

    what are some differences between the 2 systems?
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 12:04pm) in reply to AmSlim22

     
    Originally Posted by AmSlim22 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post


    This is a great video. Both my parents are teachers or higher ups in public education here in Scotland (so the system is different from the US).

    what are some differences between the 2 systems?

    Yes, koko, please give more details. I'm curious about this as well.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 3:17pm) in reply to Seykota

    Sorry, i should have stated my first paragraph differently; i should have said that i presume the system is different than in the US - i don't have any great knowledge of the US public education system with which to compare & contrast.

    I am not a fan of our education system but i don't especially want to have a long rant at the moment, so i'll just give a few quick points.

    There is a hell of a lot of money spent on non-productive (and in many cases counter-productive) administration/bureaucracy.

    Schools' hands are very much tied with regards to measures they can take to discipline disruptive behaviour - they are armed almost exclusively with carrots, but few sticks.

    There is a national curriculum so the subjects available are restricted to what the central government deems appropriate. Children aged five to 16 in 'maintained' or state schools must be taught the National Curriculum.

    The system is heavily weighted towards setting & meeting targets - there is no incentive for either pupils or teachers to do anything that exceeds these requirements, or in fact to do/learn/teach anything that won't be assessed.

    Parents don't get a lot(any?) of choice in where there children will be educated and schools don't get any choice in the children they accept - you go to the school you live closest to and that's that.

    The general emphasis (and most of the money) is on making sure that the worst pupils achieve some bare minimum government target - there is no investment in helping average/good/exceptional students achieve more or in tailoring the education to the induvidual.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 3:34pm) in reply to kokonotz

    i dont work in the US system, but having gone through it, i would say there seem to be a lot of similarities.
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 3:40pm) in reply to kokonotz

    All of that sounds exactly like the system we have here. Except that you don't necessarily go to the school closest to you. Many states bus kids from lower-income areas to more affluent areas to balance things out.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 6:28pm) in reply to kokonotz

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post

    There is a hell of a lot of money spent on non-productive (and in many cases counter-productive) administration/bureaucracy.

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post

    The system is heavily weighted towards setting & meeting targets - there is no incentive for either pupils or teachers to do anything that exceeds these requirements, or in fact to do/learn/teach anything that won't be assessed.

     
    Originally Posted by kokonotz View Post

    The general emphasis (and most of the money) is on making sure that the worst pupils achieve some bare minimum government target - there is no investment in helping average/good/exceptional students achieve more or in tailoring the education to the induvidual.

    Koko has essentially nailed down the problem here. Good post, sir. Agree with everything you wrote, but these 3 quotes stuck out to me.
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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (11/3/2008 7:08pm) in reply to kokonotz

    sounds like your talking about the american system there, so guess our probs are the same.
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