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Election Fraud.. Convictions.

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  1. amymarie1967 amymarie1967 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:08pm)

    Being from Ohio, I saw a lot of controversy regarding voting. Specifically, there were groups that brought people in from other states to register and vote for Obama. The voting laws state you "must be a permanant resident". These same groups also transported many to voting places with the promise of free food. One homeless man interviewed stated he went to vote 13 times.

    The question of voter verification went to the supreme court after the 6th district us court in Cinci said she had to verify eligibility of voters that had information which did not match state records.

    Here's the link for the CNN article about the case: <A title=cnn target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/ohio.voting/index.html" >cnn
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    Ohio voter fraud convictions; <A title=DISPATCH target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/04/28/three_voters.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101" >DISPATCH
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    3 voting advocates guilty of fraud

    Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM
    By Barbara Carmen

    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

    Three staff members for Vote Today Ohio, an independent get-out-the-vote organization supporting Barack Obama, pleaded guilty in Franklin County this afternoon to voter fraud.

    The three came to Ohio from states where Obama was likely to win in an effort to swing Ohio's electoral college vote toward their candidate, Judge Charles A. Schneider said. The judge gave all three 60 days in jail but suspended it if they paid a $1,000 fine. He also ordered a year's probation.

    The three are Daniel Hausman, 32, and Amy Little, 50, both of New York, and Yolanda Hippensteele, 30, of California. They told the court they had good intentions when they registered to vote and cast ballots the same day in early voting at Veterans Memorial.

    "I was paying rent and living full-time in Ohio," Hippensteele told the judge, "I didn't attempt to vote in another state. ... I think it's all a misunderstanding. I have a profound respect for the voting process."

    Assistant Prosecutor Brian Simms said the three later tried to rescind their registration and cancel their votes; two were successful. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien had warned visiting campaign staff members that they shouldn't vote here if they didn't plan to stay after the election.

    Schneider told the three that "rescinding your request is like giving back the money once you've been caught."

    bcarmen@dispatch.com
  2. moses rob moses rob is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:13pm) in reply to amymarie1967

  3. Lord Supremo Lord Supremo is online now actually a tuvalu lord (sigh)

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:14pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    wp prosecutors and whoever else sniffed this out and got the convictions
  4. norcaljeff norcaljeff is offline 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:16pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    Diebold! Stolen Election! Supreme Court picked potus! awk!

    ps. anyone know why Diebold stopped "stealing" elections for repubs? ty
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:19pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    Still won
    <h3>Ohio Election Results </h3><table><thead><tr><th>Candidate</th><th>party</th><th>Vote Counts</th><th>Votes Cast</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td><span>Barack Obama</span></td><td>Dem</td><td>2,708,988</td><td>51.2%</td></tr><tr><td>John McCain</td><td>GOP</td><td>2,502,218</td><td>47.2%</td></tr><tr><td>Ralph Nader</td><td>Ind</td><td>39,445</td><td>0.7%</td></tr><tr><td>Bob Barr</td><td>Lib</td><td>18,529</td><td>0.3%</td></tr></tbody></table>
  6. Mr Galt Mr Galt is offline sister-in-law's a ho

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:23pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    well thank God this is settled and they got all 3 of them.
  7. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 5:28pm) in reply to TheFirm53

    Its one thing if they were just visiting Ohio, but if they are paying rent in Ohio they should be able to vote there.

    We should be trying to make the voting system easier to access not convicting people for casting their ballot.
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  8. amymarie1967 amymarie1967 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:11pm) in reply to fly44

    sf wrong.

    You can't move to another state just to vote there.

    Ohio and Florida were key to Obama getting elected, they were the swing states with high electoral votes up for grabs.

    By moving from an area where the victory is pretty much assured for your candidate to an area where it's questionable simply to stack the electoral votes you're committing fraud. These three had no intention of staying after the election.

    FWIW, they were the first ones convicted. However, there was another house that had 13 "living" in it from other states (NY if I remember correctly) that was on a month to month lease. They were members of votefromhome, a group closely associated with ACORN, and were attempting to do the same thing, but were outted before the election, and their votes thrown out.

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  9. LordPye LordPye is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:17pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    I personally applaud these people for thinking their votes count so damn much lol.

    Isn't that what everyone wanted? Such a strong push to vote? LoL.
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:19pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    So once we switch these 16 votes over, I guess it's safe to say McCain should get ready to move into the white house.
  11. norcaljeff norcaljeff is offline 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:22pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    has the "thief-in-chief" been impeached yet lol
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:39pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    So they lived there and campaigned there because Ohio was a close state. We should want people to vote. If they want to vote, they should be able to go vote even if they have only been living there a month.

    They did not try to vote in California and Ohio, they just tried to vote in Ohio. It shouldn't be illegal to vote in person.

    I mean I guess if they came up on Monday said they lived at their friends house then yes prosecute them. But if they came up in October and lived in Ohio they should be able to vote in Ohio.
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:43pm) in reply to fly44

    *shakes head, pictures image*

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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 6:48pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    The shortness of memory of all the outraged people in this thread, and pretty much all the threads about how horrible things have been the last 100 days, is astonishing. None of these people wanted anyone impeached when all the blatant reshaping of voting districts happened over the past 8 years with the express intent of winning elections. None of these people wanted any consequences when voter rolls of likely voters who would have swayed the past two "elections" the other way were purged. None of these people seem willing to admit that all these political tricks and shenanigans are characteristics of both parties, rather than just of the other side when you happen to support the side currently getting its ass kicked.

    This country didn't get into the hole it is falling into because of one party. It took both to fuck things up this badly, and the rich on both sides sit back and collect their checks while their faithful supporters throw sticks and slurs at one another in the trenches, oblivious to the hijackings going on above.

    Have a nice day.
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 7:22pm) in reply to zander

    Let me rephrase what I am trying to convey. We want people to vote. The voter turnout in our country compared to others is shameful. To increase voter turnout we have introduced new things like same day registration. The big fear about same day registration is people driving from out of state and voting. This was not the case.

    Yes in this case they probably did vote in Ohio because their vote would count more. But they were living in Ohio. What about other people who have recently moved. Should we reject those voters?

    Another possible explanation that hasn't been mentioned is that these people probably didn't plan on voting in California because it wouldn't mean much. When they found out they could vote in Ohio they did because they knew it would mean more. Isn't that a little more fucked up than the fact that ZOMG! they voted in the wrong state!!!!
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    Apr 28th, 2009 (4/28/2009 7:24pm) in reply to zander

    lol!

    whooooooooooooooooooooosh!
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    Apr 29th, 2009 (4/29/2009 3:51am) in reply to amymarie1967

    Democratic voter "fraud" consists of trying to enfranchise people.

    -Registering people to vote
    -educating college students on how to vote
    -campaign workers in a swing state registering to vote and attempting to cast a single legal ballot in a general election

    Republican voter fraud consists of disenfranchising people

    -vote caging (sending registered mail to a voter's registered address, if it comes back, sending an operative to that polling place with a list of voters to challenge at the polls)
    -voter purges (knocking tens, if not 100,000s) off the rolls because their names are "similar" to someone with a felony.
    - pushing through voter ID laws that make it more difficult for the poor and elderly to vote
    -publishing misleading information
    -intimidation
    -etc.

    pick your poison, IMO

    I'll take the guys trying to help people vote.
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