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Eli Manning 1st ballot hall of fame lock

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  1. orgnalsooners orgnalsooners is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2012 (2/7/2012 11:54pm) in reply to snaggs

     
    Originally Posted by snaggs View Post

    you do realize those are Jim Plunkett's stats right?

    no i didnt , not gonna pretend like i did. i wont say whose i thought they were. im a dumbass
     
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    Feb 7th, 2012 (2/7/2012 11:59pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    Eli is in Bob Griese territory, and could reach John Elway territory by the time he is done. But no way in hell is he 1st ballot, even if he has 4-6 seasons similar to seasons other than this year.

    Here are Eli's major strikes (and comparison to his closest contemporary - Ben Roethlisberger)

    69-50 regular season record (compared to Big Ben with a 80-33 regular season record)
    3 one and out playoff appearances (Ben with 2 one and out each)
    2 Pro Bowls (same as Ben)
    1 season with a top 10 passer rating (2011 - 7th), (Ben with 6 seasons - 5 which were 5th or better)

    So unless you want to consider Big Ben a first ballot HOF'er (he has a better argument than Eli and I don't think he is close yet), no way Eli is 1st ballot HOF. And he isn't a HOF until he puts in 4-5 more "top 5 QB's in the league" seasons.

    So these are the only things/stats to be considered? Interesting
     
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 12:23am) in reply to SpankyHamm

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    Eli is in Bob Griese territory, and could reach John Elway territory by the time he is done. But no way in hell is he 1st ballot, even if he has 4-6 seasons similar to seasons other than this year.

    Here are Eli's major strikes (and comparison to his closest contemporary - Ben Roethlisberger)

    69-50 regular season record (compared to Big Ben with a 80-33 regular season record)
    3 one and out playoff appearances (Ben with 2 one and out each)
    2 Pro Bowls (same as Ben)
    1 season with a top 10 passer rating (2011 - 7th), (Ben with 6 seasons - 5 which were 5th or better)

    So unless you want to consider Big Ben a first ballot HOF'er (he has a better argument than Eli and I don't think he is close yet), no way Eli is 1st ballot HOF. And he isn't a HOF until he puts in 4-5 more "top 5 QB's in the league" seasons.

    Um ok, .....so has Ben ever missed a game? how many yards has he passed for each season? How many touchdowns has he thrown for? how many 4th qtr comebacks does he have? how many 4th qtr touchdowns has he thrown? how many women has he raped? Just curious.
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 12:49am) in reply to orgnalsooners

     
    Originally Posted by orgnalsooners View Post

    no i didnt , not gonna pretend like i did. i wont say whose i thought they were. im a dumbass

    yeah but you're a dumbass who did me a favor so I'll be kind :)
     
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 2:35am) in reply to Oh Rale

     
    Originally Posted by Oh Rale View Post

    Um ok, .....so has Ben ever missed a game? how many yards has he passed for each season? How many touchdowns has he thrown for? how many 4th qtr comebacks does he have? how many 4th qtr touchdowns has he thrown? how many women has he raped? Just curious.

    I would imagine that his QB rating benefits from having to throw much less often, making the passing game more effective as well
     
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 6:46am) in reply to rcrane082985

     
    Originally Posted by rcrane082985 View Post

    I would imagine that his QB rating benefits from having to throw much less often, making the passing game more effective as well

    ben does not throw "much less often" than eli.
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 6:54am) in reply to warden

    when all is said and done, hes still gonna be the 4th best manning to play in the nfl
     
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    Feb 8th, 2012 (2/8/2012 7:12am) in reply to warden

     
    Originally Posted by warden View Post

    ben does not throw "much less often" than eli.


    ehh i mean it is about 11% less, but whatever
    I guess if we're talking about simply HOF based off of entire career, Ben has the edge, but as of now, i think eli is better than ben.
    Edited By: rcrane082985 Feb 8th, 2012 at 07:14 AM
     
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