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<h2 id="headline">Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban</h2> <h3 id="dek">Previous Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration</h3> <h4 id="byline">By JASON RYAN</h4>
WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009—
The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.
"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.
Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.
Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.
A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."
At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.
"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.
Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.
"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."
In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, "I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder's comments right now."
During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon.
The Assault Weapons Ban signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns and ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds.
"A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," LaPierre said. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution."
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Most people knew this ban was coming as evidence by gun sales lately but what are your guy's opinions on this type of gun control?
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I'm all for the 2nd amendment but the legal sales of assault weapons is just ridiculous and has to go.
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you know what makes it an "assualt weapon" instead of a gun? scary black plastic
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Holder is making all kinds of news..
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A reporter asked, “shortly after the inauguration there were raids on California medical marijuana dispensaries…do you expect these to continue?”, noting that the President had promised to end the raids in the campaign.
Holder responded, “What the President said during the campaign…is consistent with what we will be doing here in law enforcement. He was my boss in the campaign….He is my boss now. What he said in the campaign is now American policy.”
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The question appears about 25 minutes into the press conference, which was devoted to an operation against the Mexican Sinaloa drug cartel.
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you mean like a guy that get convicted in a bar fight ?Originally Posted by alwest
Most people knew this ban was coming as evidence by gun sales lately but what are your guy's opinions on this type of gun control?
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I freely admit to not paying any attention to this issue so correct me if I'm wrong here,
wouldn't this also ban weapons that are legitimately problematic like ones with big clips, automatic weapons, and burst firing weapons? Or are those bant under some different law? -
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how can you be for the second amendment and against military style rifles? the purpose of the 2nd is for citizens to have military arms.Originally Posted by I Do Be CT
I'm all for the 2nd amendment but the legal sales of assault weapons is just ridiculous and has to go. -
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So you would be cool with citizens being allowed to possess grenade launchers? Tanks? Nuclear weapons? Where do we draw the line?Originally Posted by alwest
the purpose of the 2nd is for citizens to have military arms.
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Right, because the U.S. is the ONLY place they can get these weapons...Originally Posted by alwest
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.
Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.
A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."
I'm sure the Obama administration's main concern in regards to assault weapons, is the safety of the Mexican authorities and their problems with drug trafficing in THEIR country! -
Not exactly. The previous AWB did ban high capacity magazines and features on AR type rifles (yes, there is more beyond this but I will keep it brief).
Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
I freely admit to not paying any attention to this issue so correct me if I'm wrong here,
wouldn't this also ban weapons that are legitimately problematic like ones with big clips, automatic weapons, and burst firing weapons? Or are those bant under some different law?
"Automatic weapons" as you listed are generally what one refers to with full-auto type firing and is initially covered under the NFA 1934 (National Firearms Act of 1934). This regulation would cover machine guns, short barrel rifles, shortened shotguns, silencers and supressors.
I can elaborate further on the Gun Control Act of 1968 for those that are interested in this subject matter.
Obtaining Class 3 items are a very different animal than the process of purchasing a semi-auto pistol or rifle. -
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i guess in the world i imagine that would be a petty crime unless you did something like stomp the guy's head in a few times while hes already knocked out, so no i mean violent felons like home invaders, rapists, armes robbers, i guess mostly people who have been convicted of committing violent crimes with a firearm.Originally Posted by towman1
you mean like a guy that get convicted in a bar fight ?Originally Posted by alwest
Most people knew this ban was coming as evidence by gun sales lately but what are your guy's opinions on this type of gun control?
I personally am against all forms of gun control except laws preventing violent felons from owning firearms. -
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OK cool, thanks HK! Didn't know all that.
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When guns are outlawed ....only outlaws will have guns
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obv i am not for people having nukes but that is not what they want to ban here, these guys want to ban semi automatic rifles that shoot one shot per trigger pull when there is no evidence that it will serve the american people in any way.
I mean here we are bailing out all sorts of banks that have been robbing us for years, talking about nationalizing industries, redistributing wealth, rationing health care, all sorts of wars, and now they want pass more gun laws. this just gives me a sick feeling. -
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I know thats not what this specific potential bill is about, but I'm wondering where you (and other OT second amendment supporters) would draw the line and how you justify that line.
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the only thing positive i take from this is the gun show loophole. im sure a ton of people get guns that way who cant normally get them than any other method... and by 'cant normally get them' i mean people who were already deemed unworthy of owning one. if you CAN buy one then you should be able to buy one obv.
honestly, some guy on a corner with a hot gun he just stole is more of an issue but you do hear of crimes that come from this gun show loophole.
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i cant recall the last assault rifle crime wave afflicting normal citizens that came through but theres probably someone IN AMERICA (not mexico) and god knows we must ban something to protect that one person who is part of a crime organization from killing another member of a crime organization lol. but mostly we must protect everyone from their OWN STUPIDITY right? (if you dont know i am not serious diagf.) -
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On the plus side this is going to make several of my friends quite wealthy. They have been buying up these guns in anticipation of just this move. ka-ching.
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Yeah, because the police don't carry semi automatic weapons that fire one round per trigger pull. BAN THEM!Originally Posted by alwest
these guys want to ban semi automatic rifles that shoot one shot per trigger pull when there is no evidence that it will serve the american people in any way.
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Drawing the line on which guns are acceptable for the general public to purchase, and which guns aren't is similar to drawing the line on which cars are street-legal and which cars are not. Neither are an exact science, but both are roughly doable.Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
I know thats not what this specific potential bill is about, but I'm wondering where you (and other OT second amendment supporters) would draw the line and how you justify that line.
In general though, if the stuff your gun shoots doesn't explode, and the ammo it shoots is widely mass produced, and the gun only shoots one cartridge per trigger pull, it should probably be ok. -
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This is excellent news, I hope it gets pushed through asap.
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This also sets the table for one of the conditions for retaking the house. A WHOLE bunch of motivated voters and fresh new members for the NRA.
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Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
I know thats not what this specific potential bill is about, but I'm wondering where you (and other OT second amendment supporters) would draw the line and how you justify that line.Basically I would draw the line at what the average soldier carries into battle. So I would be in favor of people being able to own grenades, I know it may sound crazy but in Switzerland all the men are considered part of the militia and after they perform their mandatory service they store fully automatic weapons and grenades in their homes and they don't have much crime.Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
I know thats not what this specific potential bill is about, but I'm wondering where you (and other OT second amendment supporters) would draw the line and how you justify that line.
To me since the purpose of the 2nd is allow the people to raise a militia I think fully automatic weapons and grenades, and cannons, all of which can be built if one wanted to bad enough anyway.
my problem is that there really is no gun show loophole, if you go to a gunshow and guy a gun from a FFL you go through the normal procedure, but in for example North Carolina you can buy a rifle or a shotgun from an individual without exchanging paperwork or performing a background check.Originally Posted by skisteve
the only thing positive i take from this is the gun show loophole. im sure a ton of people get guns that way who cant normally get them than any other method... and by 'cant normally get them' i mean people who were already deemed unworthy of owning one. if you CAN buy one then you should be able to buy one obv.
honestly, some guy on a corner with a hot gun he just stole is more of an issue but you do hear of crimes that come from this gun show loophole.
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i cant recall the last assault rifle crime wave afflicting normal citizens that came through but theres probably someone IN AMERICA (not mexico) and god knows we must ban something to protect that one person who is part of a crime organization from killing another member of a crime organization lol. but mostly we must protect everyone from their OWN STUPIDITY right? (if you dont know i am not serious diagf.)
So basically they want to make it a crime for an individual to sell his property to another individual. Only dealers around here have to perform background checks , its is still illegal for a felon to possess a fireaarm though. -
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guess i need to head out to the gun store and beat the rush.
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Too late, panic pricing/buying began when Obama won the election.
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guess i need to head out to the gun store and beat the rush.
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when does the gun ban go into effect. I think I'm gonna have to go buy some guns yo
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Originally Posted by I Do Be CT
I'm all for the 2nd amendment but the legal sales of assault weapons is just ridiculous and has to go.
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