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I recently found out my wife was pregnant. We had been trying for over a year, including going to a fertility clinic. Yesterday, she wakes me up in tears. She thinks she is losing the baby. We run over to the Doctor's office, and they tell us its nothing to be concerned with. They say she most likely had a hematoma burst, which is common. They do a blood test and send us on our way.
Yesterday afternoon the Doctor leaves a voice mail for my wife about the blood test results. We knew this was bad, since he never calls with the results, he leaves it for a nurse. My wife calls back and can't get the Dr. (he's now in surgery) so she talks to the nurse. The nurse says that she is sorry, but we lost the baby. Obv last night was not a good night for us.
Well, my wife calls the doctor's office today, and a different nurse tells her that we may not have lost the baby. Then the doctor calls back and says there is up to a 30% chance that we still can have a normal pregnancy. We wont know until the results of a follow up blood test Friday.
WTF! Who tells a pregnant woman that she's lost her baby, unless they are 100% certain. And after telling us the baby is gone, how do they tell us there is still a chance, until they know for sure?
F Doctors
Cliff Notes:
1. Trouble getting pregnant
2. Wife gets pregnant
3. Wife loses baby
4. Maybe wife didn't lose baby
5. F doctors -
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omg thats terrible...
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brutal. f that doc anyways
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yeah f doctors?
really?
i mean, im sorry for your loss if you in fact did lose your baby, but it's not quite a situation where blame can be placed. Im nearly certain that even if the doc did think it was a bigger deal than a hematoma burst that he couldnt have done anything. -
If you read my post, you would see Im not blaming the doc for the loss (although at this point, I dont know what could or could not have been done if caught earlier).
Im pissed that they told us we lost the baby before they were certain. Why not say, we think you are miscarrying, but we need to do further tests?
Why make us think all night that we lost the baby, and now give us a glimmer of (possibly false) hope?
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from what i read, the nurse, not the doctor, said that. and it seems, again from what i read, that he called to correct what his nurse said.
Im not trying to start anything. idk, i just think it's disrespectful to an amazing, honorable profession to say f doctors (in a serious situation such as this). -
Im not sure I share your opinion that it is an amazing and honorable profession. I have doctors in my close family. (as Im sure many others do) I don't find the profession to be any more honorable than other professions. Between the outrageous incidents of malpractice I have seen first hand, and the way modern medicine has been transformed due to the effect of health insurance carriers, I find it hard to put the medical profession on a pedestal.
Im not saying there arent amazing doctors out there. Just as there amazing people in every profession. I just find that Doctors and medical practices are more concerned with getting you in and out the door so they can move on to the next patient, then they are with their treatment of patients. Im not jealous of the money they make, everyone should be entitled to make as much as they can. I just think the days of considering doctors to be altruistic do-gooders are long gone. -
I have to totally disagree with Shelbster
Yes there are the private practice docs whom are really looking to ship people in and out and because they are private practice they are really looking for the almighty dollar.
But the majority of Doctors are still amazing and honorable people, those medical malpractice suites that you hear about, are a few cases in the millions of procedures that happen everyday. Statistically speaking they will happen, especially in poorly run hospitals/practices.
But to make a statement that paints all doctors in a bad light is reprehensible, and just wrong.
Please tell me that the peds-oncology doctor that works 80+ hours a week (not including call) that faces cancer in our children every day and now can say that we have an over 80% safe treatment for most peds-oncology cases. Or medical groups like Medcins Sans Frontier (doctors without borders), of the CV open heart surgeons that save lives every day. -
all im saying is that they dont just hand out medical degrees.
whether or not you agree with me on the fact that they are honorable etc doesnt matter. point is, from what you wrote, i cant see how it's justifiable to say f doctors. like he had anything to do with this? idk. i guess it's fair to say that i can have my own opinion and you yours, but in the future, if you dont want it (my opinion that is), no reason to post imo cause that's kinda all we do here.
and like i said before, im am truly sorry for your pregnancy complications. remain positive. think only positive thoughts. -
A buddy of mine had been having terrible headaches. At the time he was mid 30's with a wife and two girls around 8 and 10. They go to the general doctor to get referred and finally end up at a neuro surgeon. My friend had a tumor in the front part of his brain ( sorry I can't recall the location more specefically ). So after a series of tests they determine that they are going to operate. So he is meeting with the doctor on a Friday and disucussing how things would go etc. Well the doc says it isn't a huge surgery but of course any time you are operating on the brain it is a big deal. He said of course there is always a risk of fatality during surgery but he felt that my friend's odds of survival were excellent. So my friend and is wife have a sigh of relief. The doc then goes on to tell my friend that afterwards he should be able to lead a "realatively normal life." At this point the doctors pager goes off and he gets called away on an emergency. So now my friend is freaking... a realatively normal life... What the hell does that mean? They had tried to get back in touch with the doctor over the weekend but he was unavailable. So they were pretty torn up over teh weekend. On Monday they go back and his doctor isn't there. He does manage to speak to one of the other doctors who was familair with his case and asked that doctor about the future. This one tells him well he may have to take some medication for the rest of his life as there is a good chance some glands have been damaged but other than that inconvience there would be no ill effects. My buddy dropped his doctor and got the second surgeon to handle his operation. He has been fine since :). He still gets pissed off when he tells me that story though. I can't imagine what he and his wife were going through that weekend.
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Im not saying there arent amazing doctors out there. Just as there amazing people in every profession.
This was in the post you responded to. Obv I'm not making a statement painting all doctors in a bad light. What I was doing (before this thread got hijacked) was venting about my situation.
But just as you used the extreme example of ped-oncology doctors who really practicing because they want to help people, I can give you plenty of examples of doctors in a wide range of specialties who are just trying to make a buck. From the medical/legal expert witnesses, to the fertility clinics that shuttle people in and out like cattle, to the physicians in Florida performing percutaneous discectomies on any underprivileged car accident victim thrown their way, to the cosmetic surgeons....the list is endless. You say the majority of doctors are amazing and honorable people? I say you are the exact person a defense attorney wants on his jury panel in a med mal case.
Regardless, Im pissed off, and confused, and scared...so forgive me if I used a sensationalized title.
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you have to also understand that it is our society that has made this monster known as modern medical practice. Everyone is always looking out for them selves. Pt's will sue over anything/nothing, just to try to make a quick buck. this causes doctors to have to pay ungodley amounts in malpractice insurance, which means they have to see more patients to make up the difference. Its not there fault, it is a vicious cycle that represents the worst of our american society.
Also, only doctors are supposed to give results. I am an ultrasound tech, not a doctor. Every hour of every day i tell patients i am not allowed to give results, the doctor has to. If i had a PENNY for every time a patient has asked me what i saw AFTER i told them i couldnt give results, i would be a millionare easy. so, im sure(assuming) you are guilty of this as well. Its natural to want to know right away what is going on. So when a nurse tells you the wrong thing, it a product patients begging for results and not wanting to wait. -
its a job people. why cant you understand that. You dont want to be disturbed on your days off do you. try to have some apathy here.
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I don't blame you for assuming we were begging for results, but its not the case. It's actually standard practice for a nurse to give us results at this office. My understanding of their system is that following any testing, the Doctor reviews the results and tells the nurse (either verbally or orally) what to relay to the patients. So what happens is, we go in for testing, then the nurse typically calls later that day to tell us the results. (they have a lab onsite)
In this case, the doctor left a voicemail for my wife. My wife returned the call and the nurse got on the phone to give her the results. All standard. We've never sought out results from anyone in the office.
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I never said I didnt want your opinion. I posted this on a public forum. All I did was respectfully disagree with your opinion. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
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That's exactly right Bigblind. It's a job. That's why I have a problem with people who blindly put doctors on a pedestal. Most doctors are doing a job. Nothing more, nothing less. It may be a job that takes more skill/training than other jobs, but doctors are people doing a job. They are open to criticism just like anyone else doing a job.
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im sorry, but to me it just seems that you are trying to find someone or something to blame to kinda of make you feel better or something. it's common. psychological whoha. but there's no one to blame here. so saying f doctors was simply uncalled for.
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t1c is right here. i also wish you the best, and feel bad for your situation. You are correct, doctors should not be automatically put on a pedestal. On the flip side of that, they shouldnt be automatically labled as money grubbing fuck wads either.(i know im paraphrasing) It is just a job to them, but some people care about there jobs more than others. I take great pride in my work when im here. Just because i dont want to be think about work stuff when im not at work, doesnt mean i dont care. i hope all goes well for you and yours.
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Also OP arguement that Doctors should not be put on a pedestal, but mentioned malpracice cases, where a doctor is held to a Higher standard (which is true imo), can not be both ways
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I'm not really sure I understand what you are saying.
Putting someone on a pedestal is not equivalent to holding them to a higher standard. It's more like blindly heaping praise and accolades on them for the mere fact they are a doctor, as opposed to looking at their actions in a given situation.
Also, in a medical malpractice case, doctors are not held to a "higher standard". At least here in Florida, a doctor commits malpractice when his actions deviate from the standard of care, i.e. when he acts in a manner that is different from how a reasonable doctor would have acted in a same or similar situation. In a malpractice case, doctors are actually held to a lower standard then they might otherwise be held. You're not asking the doctor for greatness, just minimally acceptable.
So I'm not sure how I contradicted myself by saying doctors should not be put on a pedestal. Maybe I'm missing something? -
Man i am so sorry to here that. God bless you and your wife and i hope everything works out for the good. I almost lost my son at birth man i cryed like a little girl for 3 days thank god everything turned out good. People who don't have kid's or have tryed to will never truly understand what you and your wife are going throw. I never truly new love intill i had my son and i hope you get to experance the same
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Thanks,
I'm not ashamed to say that I cried all night last night. -
i agree doctors are morons and with their education should NEVER make mistakes...EVER, they are barely human and shouldnt be treated as such.....
but it sounds like the nurse said this and NOT the doctor
in no way am i saying doctors are not a bunch of fucktards, but as is practice....i kinda have to blame the nurse here, unless he is the one who said, 'you lost the baby'
and now for honesty cause you might not get sarcasm.....if i want to make money i will go to law school after med school, if i continue this path and practice medicine, it is to do good.....considering the cost of school doctors dont make all that much fucking money dude
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You need to read a book called "Complications" by Atul Gawande. It was an excellent book and it give me an entirely different perspective on doctors. Here is an amazon link.
Sorry for your situation. I just don't get this whole "pedestal" debate you have going on here. No one thinks doctors are perfect, but they certainly get my respect for what they do. Someday down the road I may need one of them (a total stranger) more than I've ever needed someone in my life.









