another genius who thinks the jews should move back...to....??? unreal

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

so, no answers then? sigh.

the israelis offered to check it, the aid workers could have brought it in no problem. but they intentionally tried to run the blockade because they wanted this reaction. there is no other logical explanation for their actions. none.

go watch the videos. At first I was shocked to see the (peaceful lol) "aid workers" attacking the idf soldiers with rocks and pipes and fire, but then I realized people would gloss over that fact and instead focus on injuries that arose from their violence, and isreal would be blamed yet again. sfstandard

lol the ship was checked? metal detectors? and x-rays were even used? by whom? lol

so if someone at the airport, since that's what you brought up earlier, refuses to get searched we should just line him up and shoot him?..........just because that boat showed resistance in getting searched, it doesn't give them the right to just start shooting people.......you must not value life very much......in my world it takes an awful crime to be committed before any shootings take place...........I am sure there was other ways to handle the situation.......maybe force the boat to stop and turn around.......get help and forcefully search the boat......I'm sure there are many other ways to get that damn boat checked out.....I hope the world comes down hard on those murderers

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

another genius who thinks the jews should move back...to....??? unreal

you should take Bill O'Reillys' spot

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

This is kind of the problem I was referring to.

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

um, I didn't say they offered to check the ship that was trying to break the blockade. I said they would have checked the shipments had the aid workers sent them in differently, like they could have done. I did see "aid workers" attacking soldiers as they landed on the ship, so even if the idf was going to offer to search the ship they didn't seem to have a chance to ask. again, why didn't the aid workers just bring the supplies in normally? you have no answer because this was all publicity nonsense. I mean, did they think they were going to break the israeli military's blockade? sneak thru and run onto shore showering the poor palestinians with bananas and band-aids? get real.

jfc go back to lurking. painful.

another brilliant non-point made by garcia. so constructive

no it's painful to watch you defend a bunch of murderers.......those people had no weapons and did not deserve to die.....you can keep ASSUMING that it was a publicity stunt all you want but that's all it is an assumption.......the dead people, the aid on the ship, and no weapons on ship are all facts......why is this so hard for you to grasp?

didn't mean to quote you there willy

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

This is kind of the problem I was referring to.

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

apparently these got consolidated, even tho the replies are to different people. boy the new p5s is great...

to garcia, I think, it's on the other page now: um, I didn't say they offered to check the ship that was trying to break the blockade. I said they would have checked the shipments had the aid workers sent them in differently, like they could have done. I did see "aid workers" attacking soldiers as they landed on the ship, so even if the idf was going to offer to search the ship they didn't seem to have a chance to ask. again, why didn't the aid workers just bring the supplies in normally? you have no answer because this was all publicity nonsense. I mean, did they think they were going to break the israeli military's blockade? sneak thru and run onto shore showering the poor palestinians with bananas and band-aids? get real.

to brunson re his insane airport analogy: jfc go back to lurking. painful.

to garcia re his bill oreilly comment that he thinks means something: another brilliant non-point made by garcia. so constructive

your the one that was talking about airports you little noob

 

Originally Posted by Garciathegr8

If it's so clear that they were just doing was just a publicity stunt then why did the Isreali forces decide to shoot and kill them? Wouldn't they just be like oh they want us to be aggressive, " they want to end up looking like the victims with no guns or weapons"and deal with it another way. and besides this was on international waters, Isreal does not own the fucking ocean. There is no jusification to the lives that were lost, just like there is no jusification to the lives that are lost every day from the isreali occupation.

How is that clear to the Israeli soldiers who took over the boat? What was clear is that a boat was attempting to go to Gaza, a place where people try to sneak in weapons everyday in order to launch attacks against Israel. A place where missles are launched on Israeli cities.

If they want to bring aid into Gaza they can do it the proper way and allow it to be inspected instead of trying to sneak it in. You think they didn't know what the result was going to be? If they don't want to deal with Israel how about take the boat to Egypt and bring it into Gaza over the border like the rest of the aid. But bringing aid to Gaza wasn't their motive. Their motive was to do exactly what happened

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

so the israelis should have let them run the blockade? what optons were there, exactly?

for hooperzl: I don't think anyone disputes that the palestinians deserve their own country. the pronblem here is you have one land and two peoples that claim it. I'm all for living and working together, but it's hard to blame isreal for wanting to keep out people that bomb schoolbuses.

JFC, they bombed their schoolbuses, because their houses were bulldozed, they flung bombs because they were flung from their houses. This is not rocket science my friend

And Milo and Zepp, how does the politcal movement known as Zionism play in all of this?

actually, terrorists are the cause of the humanitarian crisis. that's like blaming the government up for locking up someone's dad just because he murdered someone.

and even if the analogy was correct, would you prefer water that has been regulated or checked by the alleged arsonist, or nothing?

lol @ accepting a method of inspection/regulation/restriction that results in a humanitarian crisis.

its nothing like your analogy, because the people being affected laregely have nothing to do with your terrorists. you're not hurting them, your just breeding more and causing suffering. kudos on your strategy.

dont starve and oppress people is one alternative I thought of. pretty groundbreaking.

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

I'd love to hear the alternative.

Lol at alternative. They never have solutions. Its called fantasy land.

Cliff Notes

Palestinian thugs use Gaza as a launching pad, and get blockaded.
Dumb Turks load a ship and think they're gonna pierce one of the most formidable military forces in the World.
Dumb Turks disobey orders to dock in Israel.
Dumb Turks react violently to the bordering of their ship.
Dumb Turks die.
I got no sympathy for the dead, dumb, Turks, 9 less carbon emitters.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

So, here's my question: let's assume that, tomorrow, Israel comes out and announces the following new policies:

*End of new settlements in Gaza and the West Bank
*Destruction of all current settlements
*Right of return for all Palestinians in the occupied territories
*Return to 1968 borders
*Full recognition of the Palestinian state, and the funding of roadways between the two disjointed territories

(IIRC, these are the demands of the missile launchers and school bus bombers, who would then, presumably, stop...)

What do you think the result would be for the Israeli state? What do you think the result would be for the Jews of Israel?

Please answer in complete sentences, with clearly stated effects.

Ask the Clintons.

 

Originally Posted by SerlinSteak19

I don't know much about the incident but here is an email sent to me by my Jewish Law Students Group:

Throughout Jewish history, we Jews have been the target of "Blood Libels". Draining a baby's blood for Matzah on Passover, stealing organs in Haiti, and everything in between.

Today, we see yet another such blood libel. The Israeli Defense Force is being falsely accused for killing "innocent humanitarian workers" on a "Flotilla". The reality could not be farther from the truth.
[SIZE=2](1) In Hamas' own words: Gaza flotilla participants aspire to die as martyrs more than they want to aid Gaza residence:[/SIZE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HThF8...ayer_embedded#!

(2) Real-time video footage of the incident proves that Hamas followed through on the plan of violence and killing. Ignoring offers to dock in Ashdod port, and attacking Israeli soldiers who boarded to inspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12K...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmL...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzGiS...layer_embedded

(3) For more information, please see the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government...1-May-2010.htm

In the words of Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: "The deaths and injuries on board the Gaza flotilla once again demonstrate how easy it is for radical supporters of terrorism to provoke a democracy into committing acts that will incur the condemnation of the international community."

Statement by Prime Minister Netanyahu:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government...1-May-2010.htm

Garcia, how much do you know about the people in the pictures who are opposing the basic fundamentals of Zionism?