[Willywoo]

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

I think if FB charged $9-99-$19.99/year enough people would pay it. There's expected to be 1,000,000,000 users by August of this year. Even if only half of those people paid it would be enough to keep investors happy imo

How many people here that have a FB account would refuse to pay $10/year in order to keep using it?

Me.

[I Spew Chips]

 

Originally Posted by killingbird

exactly. i can literally say I want only men, aged 18-30, who "like" Pocket Fives to see my ads. So incredibly efficient, and I can have an ad created and running within minutes. Which is great because if something is not performing I just tweak the demographics.

 

Originally Posted by KingPariah

I agree - that is the best thing about Facebook (which surprises me about some of the articles I've read about companies dropping their ad dollars on there). It isn't like a print ad where I'm hoping it reaches a particular demographic, I can literally advertise to only the people within a certain age group with certain interests. I am currently writing a business plan and having to get together numbers for the different advertising mediums, and from what I have read CPM tends to actually end up having a cheaper cost-per-click than just paying outright for CPC.

Edit: But from personal experience I am much more likely to click a "featured" link after a Google search than a Facebook ad. The only ads I click on Facebook are when they offer a good discount on a purchase I would make anyways. Also the advantage of paying for CPC is that the ad is placed at the top rather than the bottom, but like I said from what I have seen a lot of people are getting cheaper clicks doing CPM

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of CTR's do you all have on FB?

[Hughes4]

0

[KingPariah]

 

Originally Posted by I Spew Chips

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of CTR's do you all have on FB?

I haven't started advertising on there I have just researched it some, so I am curious as well...

[killingbird]

I've had some do as well as .2%-.3% in very short runs (they tend to trail off over time as I tend to target pretty small groups for short periods of time).

Average is probably more in the .05% - .15% range.

edit: ads linking to your Facebook business page tend to outperform ads linking to external sites. in my experience. Edited By: killingbird May 18th, 2012 at 08:46 PM

[I Spew Chips]

Wow, even your average is high for me. I will be doing some tweaking this weekend I think.

What about CPC? Any advice on their bidding system? I've noticed that much of my ads are shown in early morning on the west coast and the Reach is quite far below Impressions. Do you know of any way to customize when your ads are shown? Maybe bid higher?

[rebelfd]

Anyone want to loan me some FB shares?

[killingbird]

 

Originally Posted by I Spew Chips

Wow, even your average is high for me. I will be doing some tweaking this weekend I think.

What about CPC? Any advice on their bidding system? I've noticed that much of my ads are shown in early morning on the west coast and the Reach is quite far below Impressions. Do you know of any way to customize when your ads are shown? Maybe bid higher?

I literally go in to my dashboard and turn them on and off to reach "prime time" for different regions. So I might let them run for a couple of hours when the East Coasters are grinding, then turn them off. Then turn them back on for a couple hours for the Euros, then turn them back off etc.

Sort of have to ride the throttle with them to really maximize your exposure, otherwise you burn through your impressions right away.

And through trial and error you can discover when people tend to click on them and when they dont.

[Hank H1LL]

I wish facebook would start charging a subscription so I'd have a good reason to get rid of it. I was on board at first but the more I read about it the less impressed I get. I still think it will be profitable over the next couple years but nowhere close to the level of google as it's compared all the time.

[killingbird]

 

Originally Posted by cmval

you can really tell who loves to use fb in this thread

I dont see facebook being around in a few years

this is the beginning of the end for them

and yes someday they will be charging for services...sooner than later

the fact that their tag line is "It's free and always will be" makes me think they will never charge. pr nightmare.

[Unforseen]

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

So whats going on here?

I think I saw Unforseen talking shit about today in a facebook status yesterday but i didnt know wtf he was talking about.

Stocks on sale today I assume?

Hahahahaa TSXXX got owned yesterday


Monday is gonna suck.

[Z-Fresh]

I only have facebook so I can stay connected to ex girlfriends in case shit goes bad with the current one. I would not pay $10 a year for this insurance policy.

[emcee21]

Facebook will never charge a membership fee. Google makes go-fuck-yourself money off nothing but targeted advertising. It's all they give a shit about, they shit money left and right in hopes of selling just a little more advertising. I'm long-term bullish on FB, but have no idea what the correct price for the stock is today.

I also think it's funny that when the Spunk IPO shows a huge gain on day 1, the bank gets a ton of shit for undervaluing the stock, but when FB barely budges, it's viewed as a big let down.

[darkpoker12]

Nobody would pay a dime for facebook lol. If facebook charged, Google would get a billion users in a second

[wonglondo]

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

I think if FB charged $9-99-$19.99/year enough people would pay it. There's expected to be 1,000,000,000 users by August of this year. Even if only half of those people paid it would be enough to keep investors happy imo

How many people here that have a FB account would refuse to pay $10/year in order to keep using it?

#2 and #3 fbook users are from India and Indonesia. The majority of them would probably rather use that money for food or smth.

[LoveHatePoker]

 

Originally Posted by joeykukzMSU

the US is 1/3 of the facebook. market currently the biggest. Idia is soon to take over that spot.

lol I read that thinking you were saying some website called "Idia" was going to take over the US market, then realized you meant India. Edited By: LoveHatePoker May 19th, 2012 at 06:41 AM

[darkpoker12]

Japan has Mixi and you have to have a cellphone to get an account

[MUPokerPlayer]

omg

"The boy-wonder billionaire — who celebrated his 28th birthday Monday — owns 503.6 million shares of the social media behemoth he launched as a Harvard student in 2004.

His net worth will jump an astounding $1 billion for every $2 jump in the stock price."

[rebelfd]

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

omg

"The boy-wonder billionaire — who celebrated his 28th birthday Monday — if he hasn't already sold many of the 503.6 million shares of the social media behemoth he launched as a Harvard student in 2004.

His net worth will drop an astounding $1 billion for every $2 drop in the stock price."

Fyp

[MUPokerPlayer]

lol. omg

[MrMojo728]

I saw an interesting article online yesterday that suggested that FB will not be charging a fee to just regular users on personal accounts, but would start charging businesses to promote themselves through their company FB pages in the future. Now that strategy would make sense to me as businesses want to be on FB and want to promote themselves there and if they are forced to pay a small fee to post something about their company many would do it. BTW closing price yesterday $38.23.

I also saw where the Underwriters of the IPO were scrambling yesterday buying extra shares to artificially keep the price up. What happens Monday when the Underwriters stop buying? Kind of reminds me of the financial bubble that burst back in 2007 and we all know how fun that was.

[Leet8s usausausausausa]

 

Originally Posted by MrMojo728

I saw an interesting article online yesterday that suggested that FB will not be charging a fee to just regular users on personal accounts, but would start charging businesses to promote themselves through their company FB pages in the future. Now that strategy would make sense to me as businesses want to be on FB and want to promote themselves there and if they are forced to pay a small fee to post something about their company many would do it. BTW closing price yesterday $38.23.

I also saw where the Underwriters of the IPO were scrambling yesterday buying extra shares to artificially keep the price up. What happens Monday when the Underwriters stop buying? Kind of reminds me of the financial bubble that burst back in 2007 and we all know how fun that was.

I wouldn't use the word artificial but there is a clause in every IPO for a stabilizing bid. This isn't something new and is perfectly acceptable. The lead underwriter still has by my estimation about 48M shares to stabilize the IPO at 38.0000

[rebelfd]

Anyone shorting this puppy yet?

[MrMojo728]

 

Originally Posted by Leet8s

I wouldn't use the word artificial but there is a clause in every IPO for a stabilizing bid. This isn't something new and is perfectly acceptable. The lead underwriter still has by my estimation about 48M shares to stabilize the IPO at 38.0000

Interesting. Good to know. So the underwriters are carrying only $2B of the paper? If that's the case it was a much smaller buying frenzy than I imagined. $2B is only 2% of the overall valuation. Not much at all in the big picture.

[skankmofo]

 

Originally Posted by MrMojo728

Interesting. Good to know. So the underwriters are carrying only $2B of the paper? If that's the case it was a much smaller buying frenzy than I imagined. $2B is only 2% of the overall valuation. Not much at all in the big picture.

It matters relative to the float, which was $16B, not the overall valuation.

[Leet8s usausausausausa]

The "greenshoe clause" allows for 15% more of the stock to be offered. It has to be done at the IPO price or lower, so $38.0000. Since the issue was 421M, the amount of shares that can be used to stabilize through the greenshoe is ~63M.

[rebelfd]

Down 12 % in early trading. Hate to be that sucker who bot at 45.

[I Spew Chips]

 

Originally Posted by killingbird

I literally go in to my dashboard and turn them on and off to reach "prime time" for different regions. So I might let them run for a couple of hours when the East Coasters are grinding, then turn them off. Then turn them back on for a couple hours for the Euros, then turn them back off etc.

Sort of have to ride the throttle with them to really maximize your exposure, otherwise you burn through your impressions right away.

And through trial and error you can discover when people tend to click on them and when they dont.

Great info, thanks a lot.

[cmval]

damn..whats going on?????

[Unforseen]

a perfectly priced ipo thats what going on....


MS TMT deserves a pat in the back