Originally Posted by Admiral

Wow, this actually might be the most uninformed, retarded thread in the history of OT. Congrats everyone.

For me it worked very well. I went on the Paleo diet and I did the fast for about 1 to 2 days a week. I combined it with exercising and within 2 weeks I felt a lot better. My blood pressure was a bit high, and it came down to regular levels. I dont think my average weekly calorie intake was below 14K.

The goal is not to starve yourself, but simulate the lean/bountiful environment that early humans lived in.

You in the Florida Keys?

 

Originally Posted by sssssssivarT

would be pretty funny if you died cause of fasting.

Would be prettty funny if u died. Any way would do

 

Originally Posted by POKER_PANDA

not sure if you trolling but ill bite. body def soaks up toxins, you can have your blood tested parts per million and its shocking what we absorb. i mean, where do you think alot of cancer comes from? toxins that are carcinogenic.

op the only thing i would recommend is getting up early and doing a salt water flush in the morning to aid with the cleansing.

and you think drinking salt water, lemon juice, and cayenne pepper is going to "cleanse" your body of these toxins?

 

Originally Posted by warden

and you think drinking salt water, lemon juice, and cayenne pepper is going to "cleanse" your body of these toxins?

no but giving your body time to do it by allocating the work usually reserved for what we ingest on a daily level will. our organs cleanse us, but are usually over worked by over consumption.

and salt pulls toxins out... so ya salt water has a cleansing effect from the inside too.

You know.. all the injected hormones in your Mc chicken or milk. The fluoride in your tap water. The unclean air you breathe daily. All of the build up in your colon from the rotting flesh you consume. Also, if you consume any drugs (alcohol,
caffeine, prescriptions all included)...ya know those toxins.

And I agree with you Neek, the detoxification process our bodies have the capability of performing is rather magical! And decreased consumption aids immensely in this process for obvious reasons...the most obvious being you aren't consuming toxins anymore!

 

Originally Posted by zander

Keep me posted, good to have people to swap war stories with. Yeah, 4 16-20oz juices a day is still a pretty manageable amount of nutrients. It will be tough, but certainly easier and saner than the more extreme fasts.

So far the biggest pain is constantly having to clean the juicer whenever you feel "hungry". I started it yesterday and this is going to be way harder than I thought. The hunger pains are pretty extreme, the worst ones I have felt and I have been on several diets before so not sure if I can last doing this.

 

Originally Posted by GoodJobGoodEffort

You know.. all the injected hormones in your Mc chicken or milk. The fluoride in your tap water. The unclean air you breathe daily. All of the build up in your colon from the rotting flesh you consume. Also, if you consume any drugs (alcohol,
caffeine, prescriptions all included)...ya know those toxins.

And I agree with you Neek, the detoxification process our bodies have the capability of performing is rather magical! And decreased consumption aids immensely in this process for obvious reasons...the most obvious being you aren't consuming toxins anymore!

wait, are you just nebulously talking about eating healthy? I agree, thats a good idea.

I'm just trying to figure out the medicinal properties of saltwater and periwinkle combined with starvation.

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

Well you start to shit out the mucus that makes up your intestinal lining, thereby damaging a key component of your digestive system. But that mucus is nasty, so cleansed!

I heard if you put magnets on your wrists, it will help to align your poles, thus stimulating the immune system to remove that nasty mucous floating around in your inner parts, aiding in cleansing your body of badness. also, footbaths with mild electrical current can suck out bad metal specks and cancerbits because of gravity; everyone knows all the bad stuff ends up in your feet.

my gma is a mormon. she once provided me with a recipe for an eyewash that included cayenne pepper.

 

Originally Posted by POKER_PANDA

not sure if you trolling but ill bite. body def soaks up toxins, you can have your blood tested parts per million and its shocking what we absorb. i mean, where do you think alot of cancer comes from? toxins that are carcinogenic.

op the only thing i would recommend is getting up early and doing a salt water flush in the morning to aid with the cleansing.

I'm pretty sure carcinogens = chemicals/a substance which cause cancer. Toxins do not, by any stretch of the imagination, cause a lot of cancer. Toxins are small molecules which cause disease, as far as wikipedia knows. Cancer isn't really a disease, its just where normal cells start mutating and dividing and multiplying at an uncontrollable rate which forms tumours. Toxins, or poisons, such as apparently can be created by mushrooms and can act as carcinogens. But I think what you confused toxins with were the chemicals in cigarette smoke which act as carcinogens to cause a lot of cancer.

Anyhow, he was just mocking your mock-science when you use words which you don't really know the meaning of, ie. 'toxins' and 'cleansing'.

I'm here all week.

Sorry. It just annoyed me. Not that I particularly know much about it, but I think there are very few people who actually use those sort of words correctly (and I know I'm not one of them, so that's why I don't use them).


Edit: SIDE NOTE: Talking about Juices, I wouldn't just drink those as your only sustenance for the day. I've recently been incorporating blends - note use blender rather than juicer apparently to keep the fibre - of fruit and vegetables into my diet, just in an attempt to eat more different types of fruit and veg. I've been attempting to have about 7 a day or something along those lines. But I'm also still eating small meals, with salmon and ham etc. just to have the protein which fruit and veg can't give you. If your hungry, eat.

Just eat healthy stuff which you've prepared yourself and challenge yourself to do more exercise. I know you say you already have been, but give exercise and a healthy diet a month to work and then see the benefits of patience rather than trying to rush your body to lose weight. Fasting probably loses muscle weight as well and then you'll end up looking like a scrawny chicken. No one wants that now do they?

Anything aside from the true stuff in my previous post was all just a level.

And I'm not blushing about the cancer one. I like how the idea of my eating 'ham', and btw I'm not telling you to eat ham i'm just saying I would also eat food such as etc., was worthy of capital letters.

Bazinga, if you're going to bash people for using words incorrectly or for not being aware of nuance, you should be careful of your own wording. "Toxins do not cause alot of cancer". What do you mean by that? The tumors that result from cancer are smaller than other tumors? I'm guessing you didn't mean that. What you probably meant is that the proportion of cancer cases that result from toxins is small.

The problem with that statement is that it's hard to prove conclusively. Moreover, your Wikipedia evidence is shit. Telling us that toxins predominately cause diseases does nothing to prove that cancer is not caused by toxins. Why? Because toxins could cause "diseases" in 99% of the cases where they harm humans, and cancer in only 1% of the cases, yet if that 1% represents 95% of all cancer cases, it would still be a huge percentage.

Overall, the jist of your argument is probably accurate, but only because cause and effect is hard to determine, especially in cases with a multitude of variables, where the action and reaction of variables is dependent on the other variables.

If I remember correctly, cancer cells result from incorrect DNA material. During the replication of DNA material for cell reproduction, errors occur at a certain %. Most of these errors are caught by the replication system, but the ones that are not can result in cancer cells. Toxins and other carcinogens can damage DNA material and interfere with the replication process. Genetic factors can make certain individuals more prone to defects.

All in all, carcinogens increase the risk factor, just like genetic predisposition, to get cancer.

Studies seem to suggest that the incidence of various types of cancers is on the rise. It's possible that the methods of detection have simply gotten better, but it is probable that pollutants in the environment are having an effect and helping to increase the possibility of getting a type of cancer.

All in all, I don't know how much I believe in "detox" methods. I incorporate fasting in my lifestyle because I noticed an improvement in the way I feel and other health factors.

 

Originally Posted by bazingaking

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Dude, we all make mistakes. I make mistakes on a regular basis. Take it like a man. What I meant is pretty clear. You used phrases that are just as ambiguous as the argument you were attacking. If you want to get butthurt about it, go ahead.

Jist- It's a pretty clear word. Eloquence is overrated.

Toxins do not, by any stretch of the imagination, cause a lot of cancer. Toxins are small molecules which cause disease, as far as wikipedia knows. Your statement

Conclusion: Toxins do not, by any stretch of the imagination, cause a lot of cancer
Supporting Evidence: Toxins are small molecules which cause disease, as far as wikipedia knows

All I did was show how that piece of evidence is misleading.

You attacked a guy for being ambiguous in his post, I showed you a lot of ambiguity in yours. That's all. Being butthurt is stupid.

When your brand new juicer breaks after 10 days and like a dozen uses, that sucks. Getting it replaced today as it's under warranty. They tried to have me send it in for service but that takes weeks and means i have to eat food again...

Anyone have any juicer recommendations? Even if not for fasting, a good juicer is clutch.

 

Originally Posted by zander

Of course crashed car while driving to Kuala Lumpur to replace the juicer. Someone trying to send me a message?

ouch ul.

I use a Breville Juice Fountain JE95 fwiw. Apparently you want a juicer with a motor over 450w. Mine's 1200w.