think of gov't as the middleman that will want his cut because he is not a non-for-profit organazation

Oh this should spark some well-reasoned debate.

 

Originally Posted by tekiller

think of gov't as the middleman that will want his cut because he is not a non-for-profit organazation

You mean unlike the for-profit companies that need to show ever increasing profits for their shareholders.

Doesn't the US already have the highest healthcare cost in the civilised world?

First of all, government provided health care does not equal free healthcare.

Secondly, healthcare will never be provided by government, it will be paid for through and managed (allocated) by government.

Thirdly, an individual's tax, either withheld by the employer or paid with one's return will will pay for it, so what matters is whether healthcare will be more expensive under a government administered system or whether it would be more expensive under a private system.

I cannot envision, even with my rose colored glasses, any large government program being implemented and administered that would be more efficient and less costly than a private system. But that is not the objective of this type of plan. The objective is to provide "free healthcare" for everyone. Not to do it efficiently, not to provide top quality healthcare, not to create competition, but to make "fair" for everyone.
So to try and justify such a system on grounds that are not relevant to its objective is pointless and a waste of time.

It won't be less expensive. You won't get better care. But everyone will have it. Oh and don't forget that everyone who wants it, has basic care now through medicaid and medicare, but many simply choose not to use it, just as they will under a national healthcare plan. But what the hell, we will sure feel good about ourselves by having government try and fail again to solve a "problem".

 

Originally Posted by shopping trolly

 

Originally Posted by tekiller

think of gov't as the middleman that will want his cut because he is not a non-for-profit organazation

You mean unlike the for-profit companies that need to show ever increasing profits for their shareholders.

Doesn't the US already have the highest healthcare cost in the civilised world?

I think those greedy bastards that made the new batman movie should be paying a windfall profits tax. Nobody should earn that much just for making a movie. It's unfair to people that work hard for their money.

Expanding the power of, or public dependency on government is NEVER the answer.

as soon as the gov hands out pens, paper and a stamp I will!

LOL @ "free".

 

Originally Posted by LeftyMark

LOL @ "free".

Think of me as one of those websites that says "you are the 999,999th visitor" click here to get your prize.

In the new OT you have to do something to get people to read your post.

lol. go get your cancer cured in zimbabwe.

 

Originally Posted by FourFives

Do you know how insurance works?� The more people paying into the system, the lower the cost for each member.� If the risk (claims) is spread accross everyone, the cost of that risk is lower per person .� Of course there will be more claims but I think having everyone in the system could still lower the costs.

No. A non-smoker has nothing to gain from a smoker in terms of risk-spreading.

Edit:fit/obese, young/old, wealthy/poor

 

Originally Posted by FourFives

I am self employed and have 2 kids. It costs me $890 per month for health insurance. That is over $10,000 a year! Even with insurance we still spend over $2,000 last year on health care. That is a huge portion of my income but I can afford it. There are many people who are in my situation who can't afford that much and are forced to go without insurance. I think a State run system is worth a closer.

Sounds expensive, in a vacuum. Kinda fucked up for you to force me to pay for your kids' health care so you don't have to though, no?

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

lol. go get your cancer cured in zimbabwe.

woohoo. I know I must be becoming a part of OT when I get a norcaljeff response like this.

Where in my posts have I talked about third world countries.

Anywhere in western europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea as well as many others would have comparable healthcare systems to the US.

 

Originally Posted by FourFives

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

It won't be less expensive. You won't get better care. But everyone will have it. Oh and don't forget that everyone who wants it, has basic care now through medicaid and medicare, but many simply choose not to use it, just as they will under a national healthcare plan. But what the hell, we will sure feel good about ourselves by having government try and fail again to solve a "problem".

Do you know how insurance works? The more people paying into the system, the lower the cost for each member. If the risk (claims) is spread accross everyone, the cost of that risk is lower per person. Of course there will be more claims but I think having everyone in the system could still lower the costs.

Could you also please explain how this comment: "everyone who wants it, has basic care now through medicaid and medicare." Are you refer to people who qualify for state aid, or are you saying that anyone can get medicare? Bill Gates can get if if he wants?

I am self employed and have 2 kids. It costs me $890 per month for health insurance. That is over $10,000 a year! Even with insurance we still spend over $2,000 last year on health care. That is a huge portion of my income but I can afford it. There are many people who are in my situation who can't afford that much and are forced to go without insurance. I think a State run system is worth a closer.

You should shop around imo. I just got quoted for an HSA account with blue cross/blue shield for less than $250/month for my family. Free markets FTW!!!!

 

Originally Posted by emcee21

because they live to 100

come on emcee dig a lil deeper than that.