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Free Speech Alive in West Hollywood, Dead In Kentucky?

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  1. norcaljeff norcaljeff is offline 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader

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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:16pm)

    jail o rly?

    <H1 id=story_headline>2 accused of hanging Obama effigy on Ky. campus</H1> <SPAN class=byline>By ROGER ALFORD</SPAN> - <SPAN class=creditline>Associated Press Writer</SPAN>

    LEXINGTON, Ky. -- A University of Kentucky student and another man were arrested Thursday, accused of hanging a life-sized likeness of Barack Obama from a tree on the campus.

    The incident was one of several in recent weeks involving effigies of the presidential candidates or their running mates. No charges have been filed in four other cases that have made national headlines.

    UK Interim Police Chief Joe Monroe said the men "expressed remorse for a stunt that had gotten out of hand."

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    Arrested were Joe Fischer, 22, a UK student, and Hunter Bush, 21, both of Lexington. Both were being held at Fayette County Detention Center on charges of disorderly conduct related to the hanging of the effigy. They were also charged with burglary and theft at a fraternity house where police said the materials came from.

    Lt. Tina Strange, a deputy jailer at the detention center, did not know who the men's attorneys were. She said they were each being held on $7,600 bond.

    Monroe said the two men told detectives they decided to hang the effigy after seeing media reports about a Sarah Palin effigy in California.

    Witnesses who saw the effigy Wednesday said it was life-sized with an Obama Halloween mask, a suit jacket and sweat pants. It was found hanging from a tree with a noose around its neck.

    UK President Lee Todd said the effigy violates the university's code of ethics, and Fischer faces punishment that could include expulsion.

    "As outrageous and offensive an act as the effigy was, I truly believe it has mobilized our campus, the community and the state in an effort to battle racism," Todd said Thursday.

    It was the second time in about a month such an effigy was found on a college campus. George Fox University, a small Christian college in Oregon, recently punished four students who confessed to hanging a likeness of Obama from a tree.

    Meanwhile, a Redondo Beach, Calif., woman removed a Halloween effigy of Barack Obama that was hanging from her balcony with a butcher knife in its neck. She took it down Thursday after neighbors complained.

    In West Hollywood, Calif., a man removed an effigy of GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin from his yard Wednesday after several weeks of complaints.

    And in Clarksville, Ind., a man had hanged an inflatable doll made to look like Obama from a tree. He took it down Wednesday, and authorities said it didn't appear to violate any state laws.

    <H6>Associated Press Writer Joe Biesk in Frankfort contributed to this report.</H6>
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:19pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    Just stop. Don't hang a black man from a tree. Seriously, whoever could possibly think that is ok scares the shit out of me.

    I don't agree with jail though.
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:21pm) in reply to Niceguy

    Maybe he's making the point that the Palin in the tree in LA didn't get the same response as the Obama effigy in Kentucky??

    edit: sooo much better topics to spur free speech debates imo
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:21pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    1. They were arrested for disorderly conduct, and charged with burglary and theft.

    2. The jackass in West Hollywood took down his effigy after being harrassed, as he should have been.

    3. No one should be putting up effigies of any kind. It's just dumb. It makes no point and stirs up unnecessary trouble.
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:24pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    Do you seriously not see the difference between these two situations?
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:33pm) in reply to Twin C

    why was it disorderly conduct? because it was on school grounds?

    agrii w/2&3
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:35pm) in reply to juanyorba

    sure I do, Obama doesn't have enough experience to be president and is running for president, while Palin doesn't have enough experience to be president but she isn't running for president, she's running for vice president.
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:36pm) in reply to Niceguy

    if the jail is for burglary and theft I don't mind
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:37pm) in reply to norcaljeff

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    sure I do, Obama doesn't have enough experience to be president and is running for president, while Palin doesn't have enough experience to be president but she isn't running for president, she's running for vice president.

    Is this an official NCJ concession that the Palin pick was bad for the ticket?
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:55pm) in reply to The Precedent

    I'll put it this way. any pick would have been attacked from both the right and the left, and savaged by the media. would xtians have gotten behind romney? would social cons get behind rudy?

    sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't imo. I think Palin has been treated unbearably unfairly by the media and dems, but also, I never even heard of her before she was picked to be vpotus. it was a choice between an old tired face or a brand new one. we'll see in a few days I guess lol
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    Oct 31st, 2008 (10/31/2008 5:59pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    The Palin pick sure excited the base thats for sure. She is def helping right now in Penn, OH, IN, and Missouri
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