Originally Posted by wantagolf

Montecristo #2 is my favorite cigar. Man i miss my trips overseas where i could actually buy good Cubans.

A lot of the Dominican cigars come from the same seeds and are just as good. Arturo Fuentes are nice cigars.

 

Originally Posted by SmokeyCasinos

Dam, what's up with military and buying hookers across countries?

You can get all types of hookers in Cuba or so I've heard. No blow though.

 

Originally Posted by miamifunks

A lot of the Dominican cigars come from the same seeds and are just as good. Arturo Fuentes are nice cigars.

Dont like too many Dominicans. I'm much more of the Nicaraguan cigar fan. Of course my favorite cigar you can buy in the US is an Ashton VSG, which of course is Dominican.

Okay, done with taking this thread off topic with my cigar and hooker talk.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

so you can mount an ad hominem attack?

If OT had a ChocoThunder Memorial Best Troll of the Year award, you are in the lead by a wide margin. That's some quality trolling.

I'm pro Che Guevara. I refrain from getting in big Che debates since spending time in Miami a few years ago and getting into a shouting match with a Cuban dealer. I am now more understanding of their side. You are going to have two opposing sides in any revolution and of course the descendants of the losing side are going to loath the leaders of the winning side.

Che Guevara's title was 'guerrilla warfare tactician' he planned and led military teams in battle. He obviously killed and had people killed, he was in a war. If you liked or loved any of the people he had a responsibility in the death of you are going to hate him. But as a man he did some amazing things. He turned his back on what would have been a very comfortable living to literally fight and die for his beliefs and continued to for decades. He went around the world fighting for the underdog.

I would not say I'm pro Castro. I really am not as knowledgeable on his life as Guevara. What I do know is that the US has a history of fucked up practices so I don't blindly support the embargo against Cuba. Over all I think its a little flippant to think democracy is the way every country's government should be run. Don't get me wrong, I love living in a democracy, but facts are facts. From Wikipedia:

Cuba has a 99.8% literacy rate,[3][15] an infant death rate lower than some developed countries,[16] and an average life expectancy of 77.64.[3] In 2006, Cuba was the only nation in the world which met the WWF's definition of sustainable development; having an ecological footprint of less than 1.8 hectares per capita and a Human Development Index of over 0.8 for 2007.[17]

I had read a news story when Cuba was expecting a major hurricane. It was like a year or two after Katrina and their evacuation process included taking people's pets to separate shelters and moving furniture into storage. I was blown away and researched more and came to find out these policies were in affect long before Katrina hit New Orleans. http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/09/Wo...from_Cub.shtml

Cuba has the highest per capita amount of doctors of any country in the world and routinely sends them to assist other countries in need. But the US don't want no stinking help from Castro. http://www.fpif.org/articles/bush_ad...lowing_katrina

In conclusion, I think the US is being quite nonsensical in continuing with embargo for over 50 years now because Cuba refuses to become more democratic. It may not be what we are used to but they seem to be doing okay as a small country that is basically on its own. As I said before I'm not trying to debate this just show another side. My past and upbringing has allowed me to look at this from another angle. Like I told a guy at that table in Miami, read up on it on your own and come to your own conclusions.

The one thing i know about Cuba from my vacations there is that the people are far more friendly and seem genuinely more happy than the people i have met in the Dominican or Jamaica (insert happy slaves argument). Having said that, the living quarters i have seen for the locals are pretty sub standard, and there seems to be very strict regulations on the exchange of money and supplies. They do have a very good public system of healthcare and education, but there does not seem to be any incentive for the average person to achieve more than what they have. There are a few Canadian companies doing business there but they are doing business in cooperation with the government. I have heard of them trying to establish a limited amount of "capitalism" but that is in its infancy and only time will tell how effective that can be under a communist system.

 

Originally Posted by unemployable

Cuba has a 99.8% literacy rate,[3][15] an infant death rate lower than some developed countries,[16] and an average life expectancy of 77.64.[3] In 2006, Cuba was the only nation in the world which met the WWF's definition of sustainable development; having an ecological footprint of less than 1.8 hectares per capita and a Human Development Index of over 0.8 for 2007.[17]

My question is (and it's an honest question, I don't know the answer in advance) who is the source of those statistics? Is it perchance the Cuban government?

 

Originally Posted by unemployable

I'm pro Che Guevara. I refrain from getting in big Che debates since spending time in Miami a few years ago and getting into a shouting match with a Cuban dealer. I am now more understanding of their side. You are going to have two opposing sides in any revolution and of course the descendants of the losing side are going to loath the leaders of the winning side.

Che Guevara's title was 'guerrilla warfare tactician' he planned and led military teams in battle. He obviously killed and had people killed, he was in a war. If you liked or loved any of the people he had a responsibility in the death of you are going to hate him. But as a man he did some amazing things. He turned his back on what would have been a very comfortable living to literally fight and die for his beliefs and continued to for decades. He went around the world fighting for the underdog.

I would not say I'm pro Castro. I really am not as knowledgeable on his life as Guevara. What I do know is that the US has a history of fucked up practices so I don't blindly support the embargo against Cuba. Over all I think its a little flippant to think democracy is the way every country's government should be run. Don't get me wrong, I love living in a democracy, but facts are facts. From Wikipedia:

Cuba has a 99.8% literacy rate,[3][15] an infant death rate lower than some developed countries,[16] and an average life expectancy of 77.64.[3] In 2006, Cuba was the only nation in the world which met the WWF's definition of sustainable development; having an ecological footprint of less than 1.8 hectares per capita and a Human Development Index of over 0.8 for 2007.[17]

I had read a news story when Cuba was expecting a major hurricane. It was like a year or two after Katrina and their evacuation process included taking people's pets to separate shelters and moving furniture into storage. I was blown away and researched more and came to find out these policies were in affect long before Katrina hit New Orleans. http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/09/Wo...from_Cub.shtml

Cuba has the highest per capita amount of doctors of any country in the world and routinely sends them to assist other countries in need. But the US don't want no stinking help from Castro. http://www.fpif.org/articles/bush_ad...lowing_katrina

In conclusion, I think the US is being quite nonsensical in continuing with embargo for over 50 years now because Cuba refuses to become more democratic. It may not be what we are used to but they seem to be doing okay as a small country that is basically on its own. As I said before I'm not trying to debate this just show another side. My past and upbringing has allowed me to look at this from another angle. Like I told a guy at that table in Miami, read up on it on your own and come to your own conclusions.

The bullshit you spew is disrespectful to all the people who have risked their lives crossing the Florida straits on rafts. Come to Miami and tell the wife of a political prisoner that Cuba is a great place to live. Such ignorance. You grow up in America or Canada and have the balls to speak about living conditions in Cuba? Go fuck yourself. Seriously. So called expert on Che. LOL. Che would have gunned you down.

 

Originally Posted by snaggs

My question is (and it's an honest question, I don't know the answer in advance) who is the source of those statistics? Is it perchance the Cuban government?

Cuba has a great medical system, that's why you have to order your medicine from Europe (if you are one of the luck ones with family in Miami sending money back home). I have family who are doctors and they have to hustle side jobs to make ends meet. And don't even get me started on the Cuban doctors sent to work in Venezuela. They live in subhuman standards with little money.

weird, the OT progressives are all the people telling us how Cuba is a great place.

you saw someone blow someone up with a grenade and the thing that gets you is the pay scale?

edit: nm, thought you saw it in real time

edit2: why does this thread keep loading ad infinitum until I stop it?

Castro still alive. Or some weird body double.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/2...o-appears.html

He's been dead for awhile, I killed him in black ops

They probably don't count women in Azerbaijan

Guess the .2% depends what percent of the population is mentally challenged, has mental issues etc.

$10 says the guys from Azerbaijan that charged a bunch of crap on my debit card could read