wtf? heard this on radio last night and didn't see a post


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/28...n-girl-scouts/


so two things, one if you had a girl would you let them be in girl scouts if there was a boy in it?

two and i think the bigger issue, is it child abuse to from the age of TWO to dress up a child in the opposite genders clothing and treat as such?

on the radio they quoted the mother where she says she treated and dressed the boy from age two as a girl

don't think we have any psychologists here but i don't think its possible for a TWO year old to have made the decision to be a girl or am i wrong?

me the mother has screwed this kid up so bad, future suicide/identity crisis likely outcome

I have a better question. Why does it matter what "parts" they have? Do the scout leaders look at them?

Why isn't this mother in trouble?

The kids 7 he doesn't know whats going on. Total publicity stunt.

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

I have a better question. Why does it matter what "parts" they have? Do the scout leaders look at them?

As a former volunteer with Scouts Canada, I can tell you that the Girl Guides are FANATICAL about keeping guys OUT/AWAY. To the point that, as a Dad, you are not allowed into the meeting area to pick up your daughter. They will bring her out . . . Gawd forbid some of your male hormones waft through and contaminate the meeting hall.

 

Originally Posted by tekiller

girl scouts

boy scouts

hmmm. dunno?

In Canada there are no "boy" scouts. It is just "Scouts", and it is co-ed.

def some sort of abuse

 

Originally Posted by tekiller

never watched brady bunch, but was he forced by his mother to dress like that from the age of two on?

Hard telling with that crazy fam. Mom dated Greg. Greg fucked Marcia. Dad ghey. Wtf happened to Tiger? Who the hell was Oliver? They have a family bathroom with no toilet ffs. (Not even making that up...no toilet. 6 kids).

Who cares? If everybody involved is okay with it, great.

EDIT: The more of this the better, imo. The kids that I thought identified more with girls when I was a kid ended up being gay. Those kids deserve to choose their own path, and not feel any shame for it. The world will be a better place when homosexuals never feel like there is a closet to come out of.

from what i read a week ago, it sounds less like this boy is 'transgendered', and more like his mom raise him as a girl because she clearly wanted one. it almost seems like she's pushing another sexuality on him, instead of him deciding that he should be a she. i dont think an 8 year old, or however old this kid is, is old enough to make a decision like, 'im supposed to be a girl'. if the kid likes playing with dolls instead of gi joe, then don't force him to stop, but i wouldnt exactly throw a dress on my kid, let his hair grow out, and raise a big stink about joining girl guides just because he may exhibit some feminine tendencies

Yea, I've seen some documentaries on this sort of thing, and we also studied the topic in our psychology of sexuality course at UofA.

For the most part, personally, I've always been of the opinion that the parents should have to wait until the kid reached puberty before they should be allowed to assist the kid in a transgender transformation.

That said, it clearly was pretty tricky in some cases where the child genuinely actively attempted to switch genders, regardless of his/her parents, like, would steal dresses at age 6 or 7 and try to dress up as the "wrong" gender, and would intentionally talk in a girly voice, and would rename themselves with a female name, and tell other people that he/she was a boy/girl (whichever the opposite of what they actually were was), all on their own free will.

In these cases, I mean, I guess the parents should allow them to do that, if they want to.

Obviously the one thing they should NOT be allowed to do is force the kid to do anything they don't want in regards to that stuff. Like, if they notice the kid renames themselves with a girl's name, or acts like a girl, and says he is a girl, that shouldn't mean that the parents should just be like "Aight, here let us help you out with taking this all the way" and force the kid to start dressing as a girl.

Rather, they should allow the kid go as far/not far with it as the kid wants, and not try to push the kid to take it any further/less far than the kid wants.

They should also take the kid to a professional psychologist, to see if the kid can explain exactly how they feel about it, like, whether they genuinely feel that they are supposed to be of the opposite gender, and were simply born the wrong sex, or if they do not feel this way, but rather simply enjoy dressing up/pretending to be the opposite gender just for fun, because they enjoy it, but not because they actually feel they mentally ARE the opposite gender, etc. This would help them figure out the correct course of action in regards to certain things, particularly later in development.

The trickiest part of all is when a kid says that he or she is 100.0% certain he/she wants to physically be the opposite sex. The trickiness comes into play when they are about to hit puberty. The issue arises when, theoretically, if they make the decision to permanently switch sexes, it could actually be a lot easier to more successfully/thoroughly make the switch if they begin the switch at the start of, or during puberty, as opposed to after puberty (in terms of how receptive they would be to the hormone treatments). However, on the other hand, obviously since puberty hits at a young age of somewhere between 11ish and 14ish on average, most would argue that this is too young for a person to be able to be of true "age of consent" over a decision as serious and permanently life altering as surgically/hormonally changing one's sex.

In general, the most strongly motivated cases often tend to be scenarios in which the child was an "intersex" child.

Approximately 1 out of every 2,000 children are born as "intersexed", in that, basically they are of ambiguous sex. They are not fully male, or female, but rather somewhere inbetween.

For example, they might be born with male genitalia, but have female DNA (as in xx chromosomes, instead of xy). Or vice versa. Or they might be born with both male and female genitalia, as in, have a penis and a vagina, or testicles and a vagina but no penis, or all 3, or a penis, but no testicles but internal ovaries, or any combination, etc etc.

In general, children who are born as intersex are surgically "fixed" at birth, in that the doctor tries to alter their genitalia to match whichever sex they were closer to at birth.

In some of these cases however, what has ended up happening was that doctors would see that the genitalia was leaning closer to female than to male, or vice versa, and would thus "fix it" to be completely male, or completely female, surgically, at birth, but, the kid actually had DNA of the opposite sex.

In one study, they found a sample pool of something like 50 people who had been born as intersexuals, who had been surgically "fixed" to the "closest sex" by a surgeon shortly after birth, but had had the OPPOSITE DNA of whichever sex they were surgically altered towards.

They found that in ALL of these cases, literally 100.0%, not 99%, but literally each and every single one over a decent sample size, EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. of them ended up being gay, once they had completed puberty.

This was something of an "aha" moment for the medical world in regards to intersexuals in that this made them realize that it was the DNA that had by far the most significant play in what gender the kid would end up feeling like they "were" when they hit puberty, not the genitalia. As in, if someone is born with a dick, but has female DNA, they extremely likely to end up "feeling like they are supposed to be female" when they hit puberty, despite having a dick, and will end up being gay. Or vice versa.

Anyway, it's an interesting subject, and the world would probably be a better place if people took the time to research the topic a bit, or watch some decent unbiased documentaries on the topic.

 

Originally Posted by downbylaw11

i dont think an 8 year old, or however old this kid is, is old enough to make a decision like, 'im supposed to be a girl'.

I haven't read the article so I can't really comment on this specific situation, but from what I've read of transgendered people (people who literally feel they are a male trapped in a female body, or vice versa) generally, they basically always start feeling that way at a very young age.

I mean this is so far down on "things I should worry about" as I go throughout my day. If the kid is gay he is the least of the "holy sanctity" girl scouts worries.

 

Originally Posted by Milo

As a former volunteer with Scouts Canada, I can tell you that the Girl Guides are FANATICAL about keeping guys OUT/AWAY. To the point that, as a Dad, you are not allowed into the meeting area to pick up your daughter. They will bring her out . . . Gawd forbid some of your male hormones waft through and contaminate the meeting hall.

are you implying they make new member pull down their pants just to make sure?

pretty fucked up imo for the mom to just choose for a 2 year old that he is going to be a girl.

this will be an interesting nature vs nuture experiment as far as human sexuality goes in about 5 or 6 years. obv i believe nature >>>>> nurture, but both prob play a part.