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  1.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    I have no idea what Al Gore says, so I wouldn't know. I know what I've always said. I used to work for Greenpeace (flame away) in college in the late 80s and even then when people who were just starting to be convinced talked about the hot summers, always told them that I don't think it's possible to judge long term trends by the current weather.

    As for hurricanes, it is thought that MMGW could increase the number and severity. I have not done research on this particular fact nor know the % of the theory's certainty.

    Didn't we have a mild hurricane season last year? There goes that theory if MMGW does in fact exist.
     
  2.  
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    You kind of mean like a lot of the shit Al Gore says? Al Gore is not much different than OP when it comes to making bs claims because of single events. Also, weren't there quite a few libs claiming Katrina and other hurricanes were likely a result of MMGW?

    Um, what? Please show a "single event" that Al Gore uses as justification for making a BS claim about global warming.
  3.  
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    You kind of mean like a lot of the shit Al Gore says? Al Gore is not much different than OP when it comes to making bs claims because of single events. Also, weren't there quite a few libs claiming Katrina and other hurricanes were likely a result of MMGW?

    yes. that's exactly my point.

     
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    No one is saying that. Oh, you mean me. Yeah, I did say that OP's "it's cold outside" is just as stupid as saying ______. Which is just as stupid as ncj saying that lib/dems use the same logic they purport to abhor.

    In before ncj misses the point again

    no dems have said when it is hot that that's proof of GW? I'll let you rent my google if you need it. actually now that I reread your post I have no idea what you are talking about.
    Edited By: norcaljeff Dec 5th, 2010 at 02:05 AM
  4.  
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    Didn't we have a mild hurricane season last year? There goes that theory if MMGW does in fact exist.

    Isn't that just as dumb as saying that "this year the snow came early"?

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post


    no dems have said when it is hot that that's proof of GW? I'll let you rent my google if you need it. actually now that I reread your post I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Is this becoming a thread about how stupid Dem vs. Rep statements are? I mean, I'm willing, just let me know
  5.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Isn't that just as dumb as saying that "this year the snow came early"?

    Is this becoming a thread about how stupid Dem vs. Rep statements are? I mean, I'm willing, just let me know

    Ok this might be hard for you to understand since you live in portland and I am sure it is cold as hell there, but it hardly ever snows here and if it dose it is not till second half of jan or feb. Most of the time if it dose snow it dose not stick. That is why this is so unusual. A few days ago it was 74 which is pretty normal here first part of dec
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  6. does tho.
  7. Ok I stand corrected it did snow on this day before in 2002 and in 1971
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  8.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post


    Is this becoming a thread about how stupid Dem vs. Rep statements are? I mean, I'm willing, just let me know

    No one in this thread has any actual knowledge on this issue everyone is just picking who they listen to, so both sides are stupid. Anyone claiming to actually know something better come out with some credentials or they are just more of the same old bs that both sides spew. Working for Greenpeace is not a credential in case you were wondering.
    Edited By: yomamanodros Dec 5th, 2010 at 02:31 AM
  9.  
    Originally Posted by Underdog34 View Post

    Um, what? Please show a "single event" that Al Gore uses as justification for making a BS claim about global warming.

    I was gonna just ignore this thread but if it got UD to try and defend Al Gore I'm gonna have to grab some popcorn.....
  10.  
    Originally Posted by leoslayer View Post

    Ok this might be hard for you to understand since you live in portland and I am sure it is cold as hell there, but it hardly ever snows here and if it dose it is not till second half of jan or feb. Most of the time if it dose snow it dose not stick. That is why this is so unusual. A few days ago it was 74 which is pretty normal here first part of dec

    We all know you are having unusual weather. I understand, I understand. It's that part about using an infinitely small sample size to warrant your conclusion that is laughable. Only the truest of dinosaurs are denying that the earth is warming.
  11. we are having unusual weather?
  12.  
    Originally Posted by yomamanodros View Post

    Working for Greenpeace is not a credential in case you were wondering.

    Never said it did. Used it to say that even at my most fervent environmental stage, I still argued that using this "it's cold/hot outside" argument as hogwash. Nice to see you can get the obvious.
  13. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

  14.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    I still argued that using this "it's cold/hot outside" argument as hogwash. Nice to see you can get the obvious.

    exactly
  15. lol at anyone who thinks it's as dire as the libs say, the funniest part even if it were true there's nothing we could do, guess I'll go back and grind the micro donkaments I'm in. rose colored glasses ftw
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    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Never said it did. Used it to say that even at my most fervent environmental stage, I still argued that using this "it's cold/hot outside" argument as hogwash. Nice to see you can get the obvious.

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    exactly

    Then why is it that the Rep/conservatives are the ones using this argument? BOOM
  17. The earth laughs at our feeble attempts to think we control its climate.
     
  18.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Then why is it that the Rep/conservatives are the ones using this argument? BOOM

    world'sbiggestfacepalm.jpg

    you are wrong. well, half-right is more like it. which was my entire point.

    here, let's try this, pik the correct answer:

    When a con/repub looks out the window and it's cold and says "Where's the damn global warming, Al?" (And means it), he is:

    A. as stupid as a lib who looks outside and says "Damn it's hot, guess those idiots won't deny global warming anymaor!" (and means it)
  19.  
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    world'sbiggestfacepalm.jpg

    you are wrong. well, half-right is more like it. which was my entire point.

    here, let's try this, pik the correct answer:

    When a con/repub looks out the window and it's cold and says "Where's the damn global warming, Al?" (And means it), he is:

    A. as stupid as a lib who looks outside and says "Damn it's hot, guess those idiots won't deny global warming anymaor!" (and means it)

    Pretty easy answer since there's no choice B
    Edited By: userid363 Dec 5th, 2010 at 03:21 AM
    Reason: BOOM
  20. I was going to put
    B. A
    but I thought the point was made lol
  21. I will never understand all the hugababoo over GW? It seems to be the lesser of two evils to me.
     
  22.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Never said it did. Used it to say that even at my most fervent environmental stage, I still argued that using this "it's cold/hot outside" argument as hogwash. Nice to see you can get the obvious.

    What is obvious is that you have just as much to back up your beliefs as a denier of mmgw. Obviously the OP's argument is completely bs, that was part of the reason I made my first post about everyone in this thread being full of it. I intended for my original statement to be aimed at both sides, you just automatically assumed I was arguing only against your side and you have done nothing to show why your opinions and beliefs are any more valid than any of the other people in this thread. I aimed the Greenpeace statement at you because you are the one who responded to my original statement with bs stats pulled completely out of your ass which just helped confirm what I was trying to say in the first place.

    Maybe I should be thanking you.
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    Originally Posted by Artiecat View Post

    I will never understand all the hugababoo over GW? It seems to be the lesser of two evils to me.

    Pretty sure you mean GW vs. any kind of government intervention/taxes
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    Originally Posted by Artiecat View Post

    I will never understand all the hugababoo over GW? It seems to be the lesser of two evils to me.

    Actually, George Walker was a pretty big evil. Not sure why you call him "it" though, I mean I still think he is human, not some kind of demon spawn. Sheeze.
  25.  
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Pretty sure you mean GW vs. any kind of government intervention/taxes

    No. I meant that it sure beats global cooling.
     
  26. Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights,even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door.
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    Originally Posted by yomamanodros View Post

    What is obvious is that you have just as much to back up your beliefs as a denier of mmgw. Obviously the OP's argument is completely bs, that was part of the reason I made my first post about everyone in this thread being full of it. I intended for my original statement to be aimed at both sides, you just automatically assumed I was arguing only against your side and you have done nothing to show why your opinions and beliefs are any more valid than any of the other people in this thread. I aimed the Greenpeace statement at you because you are the one who responded to my original statement with bs stats pulled completely out of your ass which just helped confirm what I was trying to say in the first place.

    Maybe I should be thanking you.

    First, there have been many more technical debates in this thread on GW, and I have participated to a great extent, while you have been absent I assume or maybe you made trolling comments as you are doing here.

    Second, you mentioned Greenpeace as though I had used it as a qualification. I did not, but that didn't stop you from misportraying what I did say. It doesn't bode well for your logical comprehension.

    Third, I pulled no stats out of anyone's ass. I was acknowledging that there is still some uncertainty in the science, though there is not that much room for doubt. I put some %s on it to give it some tangibility. These are not statistics in any way. The fact that you are denying that there is any more certainty to the beleivers' science than the non-believers' science makes me think that either you have not done much listening/researching or you have an agenda. Either way, you have contributed less than nothing to this thread. I don't know wtf you are, but if I was to judge you based on this thread, I'd say the world would be a better place without you. You're a common troll. That's it, I'm hungry and getting some food. Please don't be here when I get back.

     
    Originally Posted by Artiecat View Post

    I will never understand all the hugababoo over GW? It seems to be the lesser of two evils to me.

     
    Originally Posted by userid363 View Post

    Pretty sure you mean GW vs. any kind of government intervention/taxes

     
    Originally Posted by Artiecat View Post

    No. I meant that it sure beats global cooling.

    I know, I was keeeeding.

    But seriously, changes in the world's climate are accompanied by famine, economic collapse and wars. No biggie though. Hope you're comfortable.
  28. Climate change is nothing new 'round here.
     
  29. can't we all just agree the OP is silly and move on.