Troy Tulowitzki set to re-up with Rockies

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By Buster Olney
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All-Star shortstop Troy Tulowitzki is close to concluding a new mega-deal that may, in the end, last as long as 10 years, according to sources.

Cargo long term deal one time?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5864835

he might not hit .336 but im sure he hits over .300 next yr

Hearing about this and probably resigning DeLa made my phuckin night.......

If it was necessary to keep the best shortstop is baseball in Colorado I'm alright with it, helton has fallen off his last 2 years of his contract and Hampton was a bad fit for Colorado to begin with having a curveball as one of his top two pitches. Tulo has a very bright future and if this will give us 8 good years I will take it. The DLR signing is huge for us as well, a healthy de la Rosa and ubaldo should be able to keep up nicely with the sick pitching staffs of the nl west. We are in for some good ball the next few years.

best SS in baseball?

really now.

Hanley Ramirez says hi.

Higher career BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+.

Yes Tulo is a better defensive player. But i'll take hanrams bat + speed over tulo's D.

How are they going to keep Cargo/Ubaldo if they are spending a quarter of their payroll on one guy?

They simply won't have the funds to do it.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

I'm baffled by the statement that he won't hit .336 again, as if that's an argument not to sign him. For starters, what evidence is there that it won't happen again. He's young, he works hard, he loves the game and he's obviously comfortable as a hitter in Coors Field. It seems that if past performance is any indication of future performance he will indeed hit .336 again. Even if he doesn't, let's say he stays in the .315 to .330 range, is that a problem? He is an all a around fine player. One that any team would want on the squad for a long time. He's leader, a good clubhouse guy, basically a franchise type player. I for one really don't care if someone wants to argue that Ramirez is better, the Rockies have Tulo, not Ramirez. They should do what they need to to keep him.

I would think the Rockies have thought about signing Cargo and Ubaldo in conjunction with signing Tulo, I guess we'll see. The problem with Cargo is that Boras is his agent, so he will probably be gone when he becomes a free agent anyway.

I have no doubt that he's a hard worker or that he loves the game, but he won't hit .336 again because he doesn't walk enough and he had an unsustainable .384 BABIP last year. He swings at everything, so pitchers don't have to worry about throwing him strikes. Its not an argument not to sign him, but his value is at an all-time high right now. The Rockies know this and Boras knows this. He has one cheap year left before he hits arbitration, so sign him after next year when his numbers come down a little bit and they don't have to pay him as much. He's still going to be a good player, but 2010 is probably going to be his career year unless he starts walking more.

Boras is Cargo's agent not Tulo.

I guess we'll see if his value is at an all time high. I disagree. You say he doesn't walk enough and swings at everything, yet he still hit .336. I can't wait until he matures and becomes a more disciplined hitter.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

Boras is Cargo's agent not Tulo.

I guess we'll see if his value is at an all time high. I disagree. You say he doesn't walk enough and swings at everything, yet he still hit .336. I can't wait until he matures and becomes a more disciplined hitter.

He's going to mature, but there's no guarantee his plate discipline improves. His plate discipline actually regressed from 2009 to 2010, and I can't imagine he'll be too eager to change his approach after the season he just had. He won't BABIP .384 forever, so he's going to need to start being more selective. Whether or not he has that ability is yet to be seen.

 

Originally Posted by sanzard

The first few years of the contract Helton produced but the last 5 years he has not produced what he did earlier in his career. His BA/OBP were still good (prior to this last year) but power #s have been 2nd basemen like.

I think long term contracts are stupid because while you normally get good production the first say 3-5 years of deal, the player starts declining at the back end of the deal and your team is stuck with a huge portion of your payroll on a player who isn't getting it done.

Personally I think Tulo is an overrated player who has benefited from playing in a hitters park. Just look at his career home/away splits. Plus he has a tendency to get hurt.

I don't love this contract but Tulo's contract and Helton's contract are two very different things. Tulo gives you premium defensive/offense at a defensive position where as Helton was a great hitter at a replaceable position.

Also, if the Rockies figure that Tulo will make more than $20m in his 30-35 years then this is a pretty good contract because they're factoring future inflation into the contract. $20m now could easily be $28-30m in seven years. Again, I didn't think this deal had to be done but its not at all like the Howard extension and should work out just fine for the Rockies.