LOL, wow what a fail.

Senators and Representatives already have government-run health insurance and it is about the finest coverage in the USA.

So... if you were trying to prove a liberal point, congrats.

If the government approved the war then why are their children not overseas dying?

Each senator should have to ship a son or daughter for 6 months minimum.

um, yes you did:

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

Can't argue much because I'm in Vegas. Heading out to play some cards.

The basic argument of the anti Public Option people seems to go like this:

The US system is the best in the world! Don't change a thing.

How do you know it's the best in the world?

Because it's the US. And the US is always the best.

Ok, but Canadians don't seem to be clamoring for our system.

They don't know better! I know of horror stories about long waits in Canada.

Well, those are anecdotal, but I'll play along. I know of horror stories about private care in the US.

Those are anecdotal and prove nothing. In fact, they just prove that the US is best!

That's some catch, that catch-22.

It's the best there is. Because it's American!!!!!

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

They don't know better! I know of horror stories about long waits in Canada.

Well, those are anecdotal, but I'll play along.

UD's response to the thread with that chart in the OP.

Um, that was a satirical fictional conversation between me and a typical conservative. Key word being fictional. The thread in which that appeared had several people talking about specific (and hence, anecdotal) cases of long wait times in Canada.

I was referring to those "horror stories" in my post. You can tell because I use the words "horror stories." If I was referring to your pretty pretty chart I would have said "that chart". A chart is not even a singluar horror story, much less plural horror stories.

Did your med school just completely ignore cognitive thinking in its curriculum? Sad.

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

Did your med school just completely ignore cognitive thinking in its curriculum? Sad.

I do not deserve to be treated like this. Why do you often regress to personal attacks against me and my schooling? I am done with your bullshit.

I'm just saying for some fucking reason you always have it out for me, and always make some smartass comment about me and my schooling. Its childish, and no one deserves to be treated like that.

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

I'm just saying for some fucking reason you always have it out for me, and always make some smartass comment about me and my schooling. Its childish, and no one deserves to be treated like that.

holy hormones batman!

 

Originally Posted by dank773

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

I'm just saying for some fucking reason you always have it out for me, and always make some smartass comment about me and my schooling. Its childish, and no one deserves to be treated like that.

When things start going bad, he has no where else to turn. When Bush was president, every day it was posts about his approval rating. Now people post about Obama's declining ratings, and it's "too bad, you lost".

People post a chart about wait times in Canada, and you get shots at your education.

You guys are really being fucking ridiculous right now. You put words in UDs mouth that had a completely different context than you were suggesting, and he defended himself on it. Is he not supposed to correct the false assertion you were trying to spread?

 

Originally Posted by dank773

People post a chart about wait times in Canada, and you get shots at your education.

I'm gonna stay out of the fight, but just want to point out that the idea that canada's wait times are in any way linked the fact that it has a nationalized health system has been repeatedly debunked. there is a correlation between per capita doctors and wait times (what a concept), and many nationalized countries (with mroe doctors) have significantly shorter wait times than the US.

anecdotal or not, can we please stop using this one. kthx

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

I'm just saying for some fucking reason you always have it out for me, and always make some smartass comment about me and my schooling. Its childish, and no one deserves to be treated like that.

I'm really sorry to have to do this, MUPP, but I'm going to have to explain myself to you.

FOR THE RECORD, I have a huge amount of respect for you and the hard work you have put in to become a doctor. Your opinion about the health care industry from an insider's point of view is a vital component of OT discussions about the subject.

When I say something as TRANSPARENTLY RIDICULOUS as implying that you are not intelligent, I always assumed that you would laugh and immediately dismiss it as banter. It NEVER occurred to me that you might be thin-skinned enough to actually think I was seriously questioning your intelligence.

I'm sort of shocked right now, honestly.

 

Originally Posted by tieful

Why are people always dumping on the Canadian system. By and large it works quite well and we're quite happy with it.

you don't speak for all of Canada

This pretty off topic but obviously I don't care... I've never heard someone dying of cancer say that Healthcare is "not a right" like I saw someone try to argue the other day. I just find it funny only healthy people argue that....

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

Completely different context? I posted a chart and said "look at these ridiculously long wait times". UD replies with some made up dialogue saying that the horror stories regarding wait times are purely anecdotal.

Um, please look again at the first two lines of my post:

 

Originally Posted by me

Can't argue much because I'm in Vegas. Heading out to play some cards.

The basic argument of the anti Public Option people seems to go like this

You imply that I was the first reply in your thread. If I remember correctly, there were about 5 pages of replies before I made what was CLEARLY A JOKE. Now that I know that you have a hard time understanding when I am joking I will be more careful about clearly saying when I am joking.

But just so I know, please answer: are you under the impression that I DON'T know the difference between anecdotal evidence and a fucking chart? Seriously? Is that what you are arguing?

 

Originally Posted by Underdog34

 

Originally Posted by HelenRNurse

You surely don't expect us to believe that the American people will have exactly the SAME health insurance coverage that the Senators & Representatives have?

So then you admit that the government-run health insurance that they have is very good then? Ok, great. Thanks.

UD, check out the two bolded phrases! They are NOT the same! Did you go to a worse school than MUPP??????? LOL

<H1>Health Care for U.S. Congress</H1> <H2>Politicians Receive the Country’s Best Care - at Taxpayers' Expense</H2>
<SPAN title="used under license by Suite101.com">©</SPAN> R.H. Sheldon
Oct 11, 2008


While over 46 million Americans remain uninsured and millions more underinsured, members of Congress receive health-related services that many in the U.S. will never see.

Few would deny that a health care crisis looms large in the U.S. In a country with millions of uninsured and underinsured citizens, health care has become more a privilege than a right. Indeed, the United States remains the only industrialized country in the world that doesn’t guarantee health care to all its citizens.

But this isn’t the case for members of the U.S. Congress. Representatives and Senators alike receive some of the best health care benefits in the country, much of it paid for with taxpayer dollars. Yet these same members seem unable - or unwilling - to extend similar protections to the rest of America.
<H3 class=dynamic>Federal Employees Health Benefits Program</H3>
As soon as members of Congress are sworn in, they may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). The program offers an assortment of health plans from which to choose, including fee-for-service, point-of-service, and health maintenance organizations (HMOs). In addition, Congress members can also insure their spouses and their dependents.

Not only does Congress get to choose from a wide range of plans, but there’s no waiting period. Unlike many Americans who must struggle against precondition clauses or are even denied coverage because of those preconditions, Senators and Representatives are covered no matter what - effective immediately.

And here’s the best part. The government pays up to 75 percent of the premium. That government, of course, is funded by taxpayers, the same taxpayers who often cannot afford health care themselves.

Read more: http://public-healthcare-issues.suit...#ixzz0LOEv5WSS

<H1>Health Care for U.S. Congress</H1> <H2>Politicians Receive the Country’s Best Care - at Taxpayers' Expense</H2>
<SPAN title="used under license by Suite101.com">©</SPAN> R.H. Sheldon
Oct 11, 2008


While over 46 million Americans remain uninsured and millions more underinsured, members of Congress receive health-related services that many in the U.S. will never see.

Few would deny that a health care crisis looms large in the U.S. In a country with millions of uninsured and underinsured citizens, health care has become more a privilege than a right. Indeed, the United States remains the only industrialized country in the world that doesn’t guarantee health care to all its citizens.

But this isn’t the case for members of the U.S. Congress. Representatives and Senators alike receive some of the best health care benefits in the country, much of it paid for with taxpayer dollars. Yet these same members seem unable - or unwilling - to extend similar protections to the rest of America.
<H3 class=dynamic>Federal Employees Health Benefits Program</H3>
As soon as members of Congress are sworn in, they may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). The program offers an assortment of health plans from which to choose, including fee-for-service, point-of-service, and health maintenance organizations (HMOs). In addition, Congress members can also insure their spouses and their dependents.

Not only does Congress get to choose from a wide range of plans, but there’s no waiting period. Unlike many Americans who must struggle against precondition clauses or are even denied coverage because of those preconditions, Senators and Representatives are covered no matter what - effective immediately.

And here’s the best part. The government pays up to 75 percent of the premium. That government, of course, is funded by taxpayers, the same taxpayers who often cannot afford health care themselves.

Read more: http://public-healthcare-issues.suit...#ixzz0LOEv5WSS